Sunday, January 20, 2008

Think Carbon Capture

Vote Stephane Dion for change; your preferred representatives at the round table of entitlement are at stake.

In a speech to the Hamilton Chamber of Commerce, Mr. Dion said his party wants to champion a "green industrial revolution."

"Canada should be the incubator for technologies that will make cars more fuel efficient, so when consumers are shopping for new models our manufacturers reap the benefits.

We should design the clean coal or carbon capture and storage technologies that offer hope to developing countries struggling to grow their technologies while keeping greenhouse gases under control," Mr. Dion said.

"In short, Canada and its highly skilled workers must seize the enormous global business opportunities available through the green technologies of tomorrow."

11 comments:

Elaine said...

What in hell is he talking about? You don't need highly skilled workers to forge for grubs and knock off the next village with clubs and stones.

Elaine said...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/12/10/nclimate10.xml

Was just reading this about the glowtardarian theory falling flat on its ass.

The UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change says there can be little doubt that humans are responsible for warming the planet, but the organisation has reduced its overall estimate of this effect by 25 per cent.-the Telegraph.co.uk

Now if they can get that down to 5 percent, I can see neogiating with them. I will even take the glo off, and just call them tards.

See I can compromise.

eng said...

What in hell is he talking about? You don't need highly skilled workers to forge for grubs and knock off the next village with clubs and stones.
What the hell are you talking about? I don't think we'll be returning to the Stone Age unless we have a catastrophe, such as the one that is possible due to climate change. He was talking about making a buck off the technologies that would help avert said catastrophe.

The UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change says there can be little doubt that humans are responsible for warming the planet, but the organisation has reduced its overall estimate of this effect by 25 per cent.-the Telegraph.co.uk
Glad to see you are finally coming around to taking IPCC findings seriously.
So then, if the estimates are later revised upwards due to ongoing research, you will naturally accept them as well, correct?

Elaine said...

No.

Eng, as much as Lizzie and Dion are preaching making money off the green technologies, there is not a whack of money to be made in basket weaving, and selling worms to eat. I don't think we will see that on the stock market exchanges anytime soon.

Don't you think 25% is a whack of mistake made by the IPCC?

How did they measure it? did they watch the goracle movie and base their scientific theory on that?

This is the year the glowtardians are going down eng.

eng said...

there is not a whack of money to be made in basket weaving, and selling worms to eat
Oh right, the old "do anything and it will destroy the economy". Don't you have anything better?

Maybe he was referring to making more fuel efficient cars. Maybe he was referring to developing clean coal technologies. Maybe he was referring to developing carbon capture technologies. Could it be possible? Or do you still think he wants to set up a basket weaving industry?

You know that thing that you use to talk to people far away? The one that has a wire connected to the wall? Do you think Alexander Graham Bell invented that exactly as it is today? He invented a very early forerunner of it. He figured out how you could send sound through wires, but he did not first dial a number to call Watson into the lab. Dialing and switches and exchanges came later.

That technology required a lot of development. So do the new ones. We should be doing it instead of leaving it to others.

Don't you think 25% is a whack of mistake made by the IPCC?
Not really. You still labour under the silly idea that climate change is a religion. It is not. It is science. A religion has a canon of received knowledge which it then spends the rest of its existence fighting to preserve unchanged.

Science is different. The IPCC continues to examine this and refines the theories. Just as Alexander Graham Bell came up with basic theories that have turned out to be inaccurate.

I recall when DSL was first proposed, it was not considered to be viable, since you had to be less than 1km from the central office. Now you get DSL from 10km. Not super high bandwidth (144k) but it works. They figured it would, but it took development effort to realize.

Science continually refines. Religion does not. I would be delighted if it turned out all this climate change stuff was a big miscalculation. I secretly hope this will be the case. You on the other hand, approach it like the Grand Inquisitor trying to stamp out any dissent to your doctrine. You are the one following a religion. The "there is no climate change" religion.

This is the year the glowtardians are going down eng.
Thus spake elaine.

MapMaster said...

"Canada should be the incubator for technologies that will make cars more fuel efficient, so when consumers are shopping for new models our manufacturers reap the benefits."

How can we assume that it's going to be our manufacturers who are going to benefit from new technologies, even if we give the assumption that investment in those technologies will produce successful results?

Elaine said...

I am thinking eng, that the glowtardians would glady put the country into a depression just so they could wave the green flag around.

Take for instance the koyoto accord. Most knew that didn't make sense and was unworkable. Still certain parties were pushing for it, holding it up as the saviour of the world.

There are glowtardians out there that would gladly have this country without jobs, its people starving, to save a daisy.

Thucydides said...

The historical record shows that when the climate was even warmer than it is today, people prospered. Vikings farmed in Greenland, forests and villages from the Medieval Warm Period are revealed under melting glaciers, commerce and agriculture flourished and the population expanded.

You can only imagine what happened in the even warmer Holocene Climate Optimum 9,000 to 5,000 years before present. Since the growth of agriculture, cities and human civilization seems to date to @ 5000 YBP, perhaps it was a reaction to the general cooling trend at the end of the climactic optimum.

Since sciences like archeology and history can easily refute the claims of the Climate Change Alarmists, I would have to say that the Anthropic Global Warming Hypothesis has been sent down in flames, only the rewards for clinging to this fantasy are too rich and tempting to abandon, hence the hysterical reactions to realists (i.e. "deniers") who point this out.

eng said...

Greenland has always had non-glaciated land, especially around fjords. The Vikings practiced something akin to today's slash and burn agriculture so they depleted the soils. They also ended up with the Church owning much of the land, and paying heavy tithes. Plus the Norse lost control of the seas so Greenlanders were cut off from sources of iron and Eurpopean goods. The Little Ice Age finished them off.

The Holocene Climate Optimum was about as warm as pre 20th century modern times. They had warmer summers outside the tropics but cooler winters. Average temperatures were about the same as pre 20th century.

Archeology and history confirm climate cycles, which is why the IPCC states that about half of the current observed global warming is natural. The other half is likely caused by human activity.

Realists say it is likely human activity is causing a potential problem. Realists say let's not stick our heads in the sand and let's not hysterically call anyone who wants to do something about it a "glowtard". Realists say let's keep studying it and let's put plans into place to cut our contribution to it. Realists can't be bothered with trying to convince people by name calling. Realists say let's hope the science turns out to be wrong, but let's be ready.

Elaine said...

Be ready for what? something that is not going to happen? Waste all that money on basket weaving courses, and putting people out of work at real jobs, for a hypothetical theory, based on a movie?

You're fucking nuts.

The glowtardian gladiators didn't say half, their guess was 25%. I think they can come down to about 5%, no more than 7, and the thinking people could work out a deal to buy the windmills off of them for scrap metal.

Elaine said...

eng, this is a little bit dry, and windy, as these things tend to be. I want you to read it and get back to me on your take on it.

http://icecap.us/images/uploads/Falsification_of_CO2.pdf