Friday, December 14, 2007

Tolerance in Action

In the name of tolerance and diversity, students at a public school in Lye, England have been required to dress like Muslims in celebration of one of their holidays. It's unclear if the female teachers wore burkas or the less modest hijab.

According to multiple reports out of England, officials in this West Midlands school have required teachers and students to don Muslim dress for a belated celebration of Eid, the end of Ramadan. The school’s program also seeks to involve parents in its celebration of diversity by hosting an afternoon mothers-only gathering, keeping in Muslim tradition that married women should not mix with other men.
Needless to say, Muslims will not be required to participate in non-Muslim traditions. "Tolerance" is a one-way street.
This story will not get much play in the United States because the mainstream media instinctively recoils from stories that may call into question the can-do-no-wrong tags of diversity, pluralism, and multi-culturalism. In these turbulent times, they would argue, anything that promotes tolerance has got to be good.

And I would agree. But I would add that there is nothing tolerant about imposing a minority group’s traditions and beliefs on the majority. There is nothing tolerant about glorifying all expressions of culture except one’s own. There is nothing tolerant about cowing Christians into acting like Muslims, intimidating Jews into acting like Christians, scaring Muslims into acting like Westerners, or even worse, suggesting that we should all be nothing.

This, I would say, is a sign of a dictatorship of cultural relativism. Such absurdity has nothing to do with tolerance.
HT: Jason Hayes

cp: The Broom

12 comments:

Jake said...

It is unfortunate that "tolerance" has been hijacked by the left to arbitrarily make the rest of society accept other cultures--however minorities are not forced to adjust and accept our Western lifestyle.

It is is called the "diversity double standard". It is clear that "tolerance" does not work both ways when minorities do not have to fit into our culture and our way of life.

Tragically, this reality became highlighted a few days ago in Mississauga when a 16 year old girl was murdered by her own father for not wearing a hijab. She wanted to fit into Western culture and it cost her life. The father obviously never wanted his family to adjust to Canadian culture when he immigrated here. Our own system let this death happen.

The solution lies with the immigration department as they should be allowed to survey potential immigrants on their opinions on Canadian culture before they are allowed to immigrate. If the potential immigrant demonstrates a chauvinistic and a preconceived /stereotypical mindset against Western culture, they should be not allowed to come to Canada.

eng said...

The solution lies with the immigration department as they should be allowed to survey potential immigrants on their opinions on Canadian culture before they are allowed to immigrate. If the potential immigrant demonstrates a chauvinistic and a preconceived /stereotypical mindset against Western culture, they should be not allowed to come to Canada.

You mean they should not allow anyone who demonstrates a chauvinistic and a preconceived /stereotypical mindset against NATIVE culture, don't you?

Jake said...

eng,

Using natives as a way of making my argument irrelevant is a cheap shield tactic. It is along the same lines as Irene Mathyssen used violence against women as a defense against accusing James Moore of viewing pornography--It is too difficult for a male to defend himself against an accusation like that without being labeled by the media and the political left "as a chauvinistic pig".

The same can be said by accusing a white anglo male of being intolerant towards the culture of aboriginals in Canada--because of past injustices committed decades before by those who are long dead.

Sorry, but to believe that natives would benefit by living today as they did 400 years ago before the "white man" came to Canada is unrealistic--I think most natives would agree. Besides, the overwhelming majority of natives in this country have kept their culture alive while living within Western culture.

mariposa said...

...officials in this West Midlands school have required teachers and students to don Muslim dress for a belated celebration of Eid...

It's the word "required" that gets me. If it was voluntary, I would have no problem with it - being forced to take part doesn't sit right with me.

Was there anyone who refused to take part? Or were they all good little sheep doing as they were told?

eng said...

We do not live as we did 400 years ago, why would anyone think the natives want to?

The point being that "letting someone in" based on demonstrated mindsets sounds a lot like the kind of star chamber stuff you guys always rail against.

The natives did not do this. Their only problem was that so many white man were "let in" over a short period that they were soon vastly outnumbered. Now we set immigration numerical limits to prevent that. You are advocating something else.

Who would determine the "demonstrated mindset" is chauvinistic or preconceived/stereotypical? The Human Rights Commission? Who?

We look at criminal records for immigration purposes already. That would be evidence of the kind of mindset we don't need.

What if said "demonstrated mindset" is determined after they have emigrated? Do we deport them? We have done so based on discovering criminal pasts, such as participation in Nazi war crimes. But you would deport the guy who your commissar decides has the "wrong" mindset?


Your assumptions about the father killing his daughter demonstrates a chauvinistic attitude in itself. It seems her sisters do not wear the headgear all the time, so it is becoming clear that this is mainly a rebellious teen situation that got way out of hand.

Certainly you could claim that such open rebellion is less common in straitjacketed societies, and so the father was unprepared to deal with it rationally. You could claim the father has failed to adapt, but the only adaptation required is to follow our laws. Pakistan has laws against murder too, so he should have followed ours. It's still murder, and there is no excuse.

It has as much to do with religion as a Christian fundamentalist murdering his gay son "because somewhere in the Bible I think it says so".

mariposa said...

So after that tirade...

I guess it's apparent eng thinks it is perfectly acceptable to "require" non-Muslims to participate in Muslim celebrations - that's what this thread was all about, after all.

So much for free will - what if somebody had refused? Jail?

Lisa said...

Mariposa;

According to the article, all of the teachers went along with it and roughly 250 students. What would likely happen if they refused to participate, at least in the case of teachers, is that they would be branded as racist and intolerant.

eng said...

I guess it's apparent eng thinks it is perfectly acceptable to "require" non-Muslims to participate in Muslim celebrations - that's what this thread was all about, after all.

It's apparent you are full of projection. Who knows what really happened? Fox news? Ha! Daily Mail UK? HaHa!

Of course anyone would be against "forced" dress. Sounds more like "everybody walk like an Egyptian" day. You can be a suck and not play along, but you would probably go along, just as you would wear green on St. Patrick's Day, even if you aren't Roman Catholic.


Funny how the Climate Change evidence and opinions are regularly considered here to be insufficient, and just a big scam. But an unnamed relative of one of the school teachers claiming they all were against it is taken as, well, Gospel!


I'm surprised none of your crew here mused (invariably saying "I guess...") about how surely Muslim foods containing nuts would automatically be allowed past the school's Food Police.

Lisa said...

Eng;

Perhaps some of the students and teachers were for the event as it's not just the administration that preaches the gospel of diversity and multi-culturalism.

And what are we to make of Sally Bloomers comments, who is head of Rufford public school:

“I have not heard of any complaints.

“It’s all part of a diversity project to promote multi-culturalism.”

Just because she didn't get any complaints, it certainly doesn't mean everyone was in agreement with the activities of the day. Like I said above in comments here, failure to comply would likely be viewed as racist and intolerant.

Elaine said...

Perhaps they could reverse it, quid pro quo. The female muslims dressing up like the civilized world for a day, to celebrate the emancipation of females.

..oh yeah, I forgot, that could lead to them being strangled.

marginalizedactiondinosaur said...

To see real tolerance they should make the Eurabians dress like Jews,

Just to prove which is the strong culture and which is socialist for now.

Their only problem was that so many white man were "let in" over a short period that they were soon vastly outnumbered.

Let in? You make it sound like there was customs offices counting. Funny progressive view, I thought there was like a couple hundred years of pretty open war.

I know when my forfathers landed you had to till the field with a musket lest you be killed and often you might head home to find you family had been killed

It took a lot longer for the Indians to be outnumbered, hundreds of years. Whereas with 1% immigration per year like Harper wants, it's 50 years. With a lot of assumptions.

But they didn't start last year.

eng said...

Let in? You make it sound like there was customs offices counting. Funny progressive view, I thought there was like a couple hundred years of pretty open war.

Quotation marks used within a sentence have a special meaning. Look it up, fool. Typical retardican calling everything they don't get "funny progressive view".

But to follow your logic, you make it sound like your forefathers were just minding their own business tilling the fields and these mean old natives would attack them. The nerve!

As you say, it was open warfare, but the wars in each European country sized area did not last long.