Friday, December 7, 2007

KyoTwo

Peter Foster on the essential Marxist quality of global hysteria solutions in Bali:

The real theme of this United Nations gabfest -- like that of its 12 predecessors, and of the hundreds, if not thousands, of related meetings --is whether globalization and trade liberalization will be allowed to continue, with a corresponding increase in wealth, health and welfare, or whether the authoritarian enemies of freedom (who rarely if ever recognize themselves as such) will succeed in using environmental hysteria to undermine capitalism and increase their Majesterium. Any successor to Kyoto will be rooted in hobbling rich economies, increasing the poor world's resentment, unleashing environmental trade warfare, and blanketing the globe with rules and regulations that benefit only rulers and regulators. Bali is not about climate; it symbolizes the continued assault on freedom by those who seek -- or pander to -- political power under the guise of concern for humanity.

Just at the point where Marxism was being consigned to the dustbin of history, the more or less concealed power lust that had fed it found a new cause in the environment.
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The reason that poor, ill-governed countries support the Kyoto process is because they have been persuaded that it represents a meal ticket. Under it they can flog the non-emission of hot air to developed nations, and have failed aid policies continued under the rubric of "clean development."

15 comments:

Elaine said...

Capitalism had once been the enemy because it was alleged to make people poor. Now it is the enemy because of the alleged side effects of making them rich. -Peter Foster

I love that line.

Governments lose control over the masses when they are less dependant on them, ditto for religions. That must scare the hell out of them.

eng said...

A very well written piece. The good old commie conspiracy theory is all dressed up to sally forth again. Yes, any attempt to work together to solve a problem must be attacked as Marxist. The good old "they hate capitalism" routine was nicely integrated and repeated in different ways.

I had to read all the way to the second last paragraph to see the real message: "Democratic governments have no choice but to cater to the ignorance/alarm/hypocrisy engendered in their electorates."

Yes, I think Peter would like us to dispense with this annoying democracy. It's bad for business!

That makes him a Fascist, doesn't it? Capitalism, minus that yucky democracy. Or the new Feudalism, if you prefer.

Foster the Feudalist.

Elaine said...

...yeah, but they do hate capitalism.

They make no bones about it.

It is not going to fly.

How do you think we are going to send gifts of great gobs of money to the countries that don't have to do anything, coz their poor, if there are no jobs here?

Do what all good glowtardians do and lead by example. That means giving up your computer, unless you got it hooked up to a windmill to run it.

Give us a list of all the things you have gave up to save the world.

eng said...

...yeah, but they do hate capitalism.

They make no bones about it.

Strange. I didn't get the memo. Any references on this?

It is not going to fly.
It is not a bird.

How do you think we are going to send gifts of great gobs of money to the countries that don't have to do anything, coz their poor, if there are no jobs here?
There are jobs here. Why are we going to send money to other countries?

How would we do anything if we are all in jail? You see, we would all be in jail if we do nothing and not pay our taxes. The solution is to focus on solutions instead of focus on the penalty for doing nothing.

We will not send money to other countries either, because we will not end up having to pay the fines for doing nothing. Unless, of course, we do nothing. Which is what you advocate.

Do what all good glowtardians do and lead by example. That means giving up your computer, unless you got it hooked up to a windmill to run it.
I am not a "glowtardian" or whatever your insult du jour is, you retard. Why should I give up my computer?

Give us a list of all the things you have gave up to save the world.
I am no longer beating my wife. Your whole premise of "giving things up" says it all. There is nothing wrong with selfishness, but you sound like someone who would not lift a finger for anything if it would not directly benefit you immediately. But don't worry, society will continue to carry you along, despite your lack of giving a damn.

One thing I do to "save the world" is to oppose do-nothings like you who live in a dream world of limitless resources brought about by trampling on everyone else.

Elaine said...

Jail? who da fuck is going to put us in jail if we tell them to take da plan and stick it where da sun don't shine?

You don't have a list of things you have given up, so you are talking through your ass. Typical algorio glowtard.

I know you haven't given up electricity, or are even conserving it, because you are on your computer. Do you know how many dibs of electrical current are used everytime you tap a key on your keyboard? Insignificant you say? Multiply that by millions of people. I thought wasting any electricity was a big fucking no-no in glowtard world.

You are talking about others being forced to give things up, to save your planet, so you won't have to give anything up.

eng said...

Jail? who da fuck is going to put us in jail if we tell them to take da plan and stick it where da sun don't shine?
I guess the analogy went over your head. Sorry. The point being that sending money to other countries is the penalty, the fine, for doing nothing. We're not supposed to do that.

Just like we're not supposed to go to jail just because we can be jailed for not paying taxes, for example.

You don't have a list of things you have given up, so you are talking through your ass. Typical algorio glowtard.
Typical playing of the "hypocrisy" card. Have you nothing else?

It takes money to make money. It takes an army to stop a war. Why do you expect reducing emissions will somehow happen without actually causing emissions in the process?

Improved technologies can't be made without using the existing ones.

I know you haven't given up electricity, or are even conserving it, because you are on your computer.
Keep flogging that "hypocrisy" routine. Your real objective is that I should voluntarily shut up "to save the world" somehow. When actually shutting up and using no energy simply allows your noise machine to drown everyone out as you consume every last scrap of resources unopposed. So the energy I consume opposing the likes of you is actually better than shutting up so you can hog everything.

Do you know how many dibs of electrical current are used everytime you tap a key on your keyboard?
I have no idea what a "dib" of electricity is.

However, I do recharge my computer batteries during off-peak hours. That's when the base load is mostly handled by the nuclear power stations. Since nuclear reactors can't be quickly stopped and started, they stay on, even if the energy is dissipated as heat. Time shifting energy use does help.

Insignificant you say? Multiply that by millions of people. I thought wasting any electricity was a big fucking no-no in glowtard world.
What uses of electricity are not "wasting" uses in the first place? I think opposing the likes of you is not wasteful, though I'm sure you would disagree. But for you, in retard world, there is no wasteful use of electricity, is there?

You are talking about others being forced to give things up, to save your planet, so you won't have to give anything up
Says who? I am talking about everyone working on solving a problem. You are the one that wants everyone else to give up on the future so your present overindulgence can continue.

Elaine said...

batteries? ewwwwww, dem dare tings are bad for da earth.

so you get up at 4:00 am to recharge your batteries. Whipdefuckingdo, give eng the glowtard award of the year.

I am talking walking the walk.

Give me a real list of all the things you do. For example, how many sheets of toilet paper do you use to wipe your ass? You get ten glowtards point for not using any.

eng said...

Batteries have to be disposed of properly, and yes I do have a small bag to keep used ones in and take them to the hazardous waste dropoff every year.

All you have to do is avoid 5-7pm and you are mostly off peak.


You are still flogging the "hypocrisy" routine. Do you think it works? Your logic is I should not oppose you because I live in the modern world and use technology?

That's like saying only slaves can oppose slavery. Worked well for slave owners, but some slave owners understood it should change. Yes, people with slaves thought that there is a better way. Some had to continue having slaves so they would have the economic power to work for change.

Call it hypocrisy, but I think it is a great use of energy to oppose your overindulgence and attempts to shout down all dissent.

Anonymous said...

Yes, any attempt to work together to solve a problem must be attacked as Marxist.

Individuals working together voluntarily is not Marxist. A small group of people forcing a larger group of people to work together "for your own good - or else" is very Marxist. Co-operation can be free or it can be coerced. Freedom, coercion. Free market, slave market. Capitalism, Marxism. Geddit?

Free people have the right to complain if their life and property are violated, and have the right to seek redress, violently if necessary, but only in proportion to the violation. For example, if they are the victim of pollution.

The problem is when you Marxists try to *force* everyone to accept what *you* declare to be a violation of *other peoples* life and property, on flimsy grounds and with transparently self-serving remedies.

Elaine said...

eng, got a battery bag...what's it made of eng? where was in manufactured? how many carbon emmissons did it emit getting to you? did any trees have to die in the process? are you keeping track of every manmade product you use?

a battery bag....you must be one of the nerdier glowtardians. A battery bag must have replaced the pocket protectors.

Keep going, I want to know of all the sacrafices you have personally made for mother earth. I am sure there are other glowtards out there who would be thrilled on the knowledge you could share with them.

eng said...

Why not cut to the chase? Just make up some list, and then you can snicker about it. Or claim there is no list, and continue playing the hypocrisy card that seems to be your only tune.

Correction, you have two tunes. I forgot "you and the other glowtards". Yes, I continue to be no longer beating my wife.

The "battery bag". Funny! Sounds like some K-tel product. I bought some batteries, the store put them in a small bag, and since I don't shop at that store much the bag stands out as the battery garbage bag.

Sorry, you will need to go back to your NLP instructor for a refresher. Your mental karate is not working. Try as you might to play the hypocrisy card, try as you might with your sneering and put downs, it's not working is it?

Keep at it though, it's fun to watch you foaming at the mouth as you try to shout down anyone who opposes your radical views.

eng said...

A small group of people forcing a larger group of people to work together "for your own good - or else" is very Marxist.

So now my corporation is Marxist? We don't stand over our workers with whips, but they do have to earn a living. They work, or else. They would not be here if they were not paid, so they are not volunteers. Since you offer an either or, your own definition makes my company Marxist.


Free people have the right to complain if their life and property are violated, and have the right to seek redress, violently if necessary, but only in proportion to the violation. For example, if they are the victim of pollution.

Who determines the "proportion of violation"? Sounds a lot like totalitarians who excuse their own actions. You would excuse eco-terrorists that destroy construction sites because they are victims of pollution? The tract houses look bad which is visual pollution so it excuses them?

You sound like you are what you hate.

Mike said...

they do have to earn a living. They work, or else.

The difference, eng, is that no person imposes the need for food and shelter. Life as a human being does that. We are all in the same boat.

I've never been whipped, but I'd bet that for someone who has, there's not much room for a "but" that follows "We don't stand over our workers with whips".

This is about the difference between "I must work or I will lose my home", and "I must work or that person will beat me". Jobs always have the element of choice, even if there are only bad choices sometimes -- and that is about as good as you're going to find outside of Utopia.

Elaine said...

eng, my radical views?
hahahahahaha,

The list eng, I want to see the list of things you are personally doing, leave out your bag, that is of no significance in the scheme of things.

I want hard core sacrafices you have personally made to save mother earth.

For example, do you hang your tea bags out to dry and use the same one for weeks, months even?

How many times a month does your body meet up with soap and water?

NIAC said...

Electricity isn't dirty, coal-fired and nuclear fissioned generation is at the time (coal) and after ward (nuclear). Hydro, solar and wind generation (all of which have been in use for tens of thousands of years, btw) are cleaner, but not completely free of pollution.

I am not a tree-hugger, and I respect Elaine's distaste for 'glowtardian' issues...but I don't look at it as "avoiding the end of the world". Inasmuch as I'd like to agree with some of what Al professes in "'Truth", not all of it is sound. In reality, I can't look in my kitchen, see a week-old chicken breast lie on the counter, and say, "that's ok, it doesn't need to be cleaned up". I keep the fridge door closed, and don't use the same dishwater for days.

Being a nut-job environmentalist is one thing, but just cleaning up after oneself is a nice thing to do.

Unlike Kyoto, though, I don't believe that paying your neighbour, who doesn't shit in the common hallway on your floor, should allow you to.