Saturday, August 11, 2007

Windsor's Rich Canvas Of Diverse Military Strongmen

Windsor Star via LGF:

"That organization is banned in Canada," said Harvey Kessler, executive director of the Windsor Jewish Community Centre. "How can that billboard be up in Windsor when it represents a terrorist organization which is banned under the laws of Canada?"

Located at the southwest corner of Marion Avenue and Wyandotte Street East, the billboard does not mention Hezbollah by name, but features a central image of Hassan Nasrallah, the leader of the controversial political and military group that represents Lebanese Shia Muslims and has clashed with Israeli troops for more than 20 years.
An outrage. The graphic design is lacking. Where are the clenched fists with the AK47s? None appear, not even in a stylized fashion. It's like Star Wars without lightsabers. I don't even know who those guys are in the background, and without the AK47 to pique my interest, I'm just not going to spend the time to dig deeper and maybe give them a chance and find out what their product is all about. Sorry.

I don't care how many billboards they raise, I'm not joining if there aren't AK47s in it for my group of Dieppe-Canadians.

44 comments:

alexb said...

Vile,contemptable and Canadian.
Lets find out who is behind this and show them our true colours!

Elaine said...

So if Windsor is now Lebanon, and under the control of the Hezzassholes, where does that leave the rest of us?

Anyone want to start a betting pool on how long it will take for Windsor to start aiming rockets at London.

I doubt if they can make them take down the terrorist recruiting billboard, because of the stupid liberal multicultural bill of rights.

This stuff is creepy. We are all going to have to work hard to make sure another liberal government never sits its ass in a position of power for the next 100 years.

Elaine said...

...and then this today in the freeps.
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Some use online fatwas to 'shop' for right opinion-lfp

Sat, August 11, 2007

By AP

CAIRO, EGYPT -- The Internet, satellite television and even the telephone are increasingly being used in the Muslim world to issue fatwas, or religious decrees.

A fatwa is a ruling by a recognized Islamic scholar, often on a weighty matter. But the traditional definition is becoming blurred as Muslims turn to Islamic websites and "tele-imams" for advice on how to live their lives.

For example, going online turns up the fatwa on British author J.K. Rowling's Harry Potter books, banning reading about the boy wizard because of his ties to witchcraft. Another says plucking women's eyebrows is forbidden because it alters God's creation -- unless the woman's bushy brows displease her husband.

Religious rulings have often been on grave topics. Many westerners first heard the word "fatwa" when the late Iranian leader Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini issued one in 1989 condemning British writer Salman Rushdie to death, accusing him of blasphemy in his book The Satanic Verses.

More recently, fatwas have dealt with the question of whether suicide bombing is accepted under Islam, producing duelling opinions -- not surprising given Islam has no single, universally recognized source.

But now the growth of so-called new media fatwas has upset Egypt's religious establishment, which fears an erosion of its authority to people without solid theological credentials.

Others applaud the increasing diversity of opinion and believe it is critical to updating Islamic theology and helping Muslims cope with modern life.

Traditionally, fatwas were issued by a mufti or scholar.

Now, however, the proliferation of alternative outlets for religious advice offers Muslims the opportunity to seek guidance elsewhere and -- some fear -- to shop around until they find an opinion that may sanction questionable behaviour.

"There is an opinion for every occasion and context, and evidence of people shopping around for the opinion that suits their particular need," said Gary Bunt, author of the book Islam in the Digital Age.

Numerous websites issue online fatwas in response to questions.


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...do you suppose there is anyone in the governement who is taking this shit seriously yet?

Joe Molnar said...

The organization which placed the ad should have added Canadian content by adding an endorsement by Taliban Jack or Denis Coderre.

Jack and Denis presumably would be pleased second "peace" issue.

UpMyKilt said...

"I doubt if they can make them take down the terrorist recruiting billboard, because of the stupid liberal multicultural bill of rights."

Freedom of expression and freedom of association not inherent rights to you?

Elaine said...

I see it as a recruitment for terrorist.

I suppose perhaps they should leave it up there. Quite the statement. It is best to know many muslims who live here in Canada are supportive of terrorist organizations.

I am sure non-muslims could come up with a good slogan to put on a bigger billboard right beside it.

It really pissed many people in Windsor off. It will be interesting to watch how they react to it.

elaine said...

I got one...oppression, death and destruction, nothing says it quite like islam

Could have a picture of smiling Farfour the mouse, holding a little girl in a hijab with a gun pointed at her head.

That about sums islam up for me.

Mike said...

Exactly, Joe, it's the lack of Canadian content. Could we at least have an AK47 on a Maple Leaf background? I want the promise of Paradise with rivers of flowing maple syrup and tortiere pie trees. I hate the taste of dates. Why is Hezbollah discriminating against people from my background?

Ian, it would be a terrible violation of CBS' and Hezbollah's property rights if some fascist statist Canadian with no conception of the Acontextual Non-aggression Principle were to irreparably damage that billboard with paint or sharp things. No true libertarian could stand by and let that happen, much less applaud it.

All you need to understand is property rights. That kind of aggression would probably cost a lot of money for the sign company, for the people who put the sign up, the insurance would go up... If you have read your Bastiat you know that that means that money simply will not be spent on other things. All those illegitimately imposed costs would be bad enough, but worst of all would be the feeling of hurt and violation that it would cause for the people who arranged for this billboard to go up. They'd get the message their causes and ideas are unwelcome here, and they might not even feel safe at night in their own homes any more, as if we were living in some kind of fascist state full of closed-minded bigots who don't like to look at other peoples' warlords on billboards in their country. This is precisely why we value the freedom of association so highly.

Elaine said...

Mike you have such wisdom. We wouldn't want the hezzasholes and its followers to think we didn't approve of their terrorist recruitment on our soil. I think it would be wicked if someone took a pig's head and tied it to the top to dangle with the blood dripping on Nazasshole's face. That would be really insulting and we wouldn't want to upset the terrorist, would we?

Mike said...

Yikes!

All that is 100% undesirable. That is the job of the law. It would be terrible if any of those things happen. That's why we have laws. That's why it's the responsibility of those charged, to enforce them.

The only reason to put someone like Nasrallah on a billboard is to intimidate people, and most importantly Muslims included, by openly demonstrating that Hezbollah has reach here. They must not and it is the most fundamental job of the health care and pension pyramid scam now d/b/a the government to show that, forcibly, by prosecuting those responsible under the anti-terrorism statutes.

But never mind that, where are we on the surgery wait times guarantees? Is the planet OK yet? Ugh.

Elaine said...

Why should we fight it? What is wrong with oppression, death and destruction as a way of life? I am going to don my burka and go down to city hall to see if I can get my hezzasshole flag flown. I can't see them having the balls to refuse me. If they do I am going to scream discrimination and drag them before the star chamber.

alexb said...

Elaine,
Bet you look hot in a burka,or at least feel hot.

eng said...

If you guys fell for it, then the idiots that support hezbollah probably did too. Look at all the comments at "canada.com". Think of all the IP numbers CSIS just pulled from it.

I believe that sort of thing is called a "honey pot"

Elaine said...

http://www.canada.com/windsorstar/index.html

eng, CSIS doesn't need the terrorist supporters isp's, they willingly give their names and photos. They are proud of the hezzasshole terrorist and if someone touches that sign..... The terrorist and their supporters believe they have nothing to fear, they have taliban jack and peggy nash on their side.

I do believe this is the beginning of the end for the terrorist, AND THEIR supporting left comrades in this country. Yippeeeeeeeee!

Elaine said...

I was just reading they took down the hezzasshole terrorist recruitment billboard in Windsor this morning. I guess they are just going to have to go back to recruiting them using the mosque.

Not that the majority of Canadians are not stupid, and never seem to catch on, but that was a little bit too much in your face recruiting muslim terrorist using a billboard.

elaine said...

http://www.am770chqr.com/home/index.cfm

out of Calgary.

Interesting radio program. They are trying to get a hold of CBS wanting to ask them why they would be selling advertising space to a wing of the banned hezzasshole terrorist faction in Windsor. For some strange reason CBS won't respond. Perhaps our radio stations and newspaper will pick up on it next week. Thank goodness for jihad watch keeping us informed as to what is going on right under noses.

Elaine said...

According to the Canadian anti-terrorist act it is a crime punishable by up to 10 years in prison to knowingly provide financial support to a terrorist organization. Canadians who knowingly "facilitate" the activities of Hezbollah (or any other listed terrorist group) even if no tie between their actions and any terrorist or other illegal action can be demonstrated--are liable to be jailed for 14 years.

.....hmmmmm the Canadian governement declared the hezzassholes a terrorist organization. I wonder if they will arrest those terrorist supporters in Windsor for facilitating known terrorist on Canadian soil.

UpMyKilt said...

"on a billboard is to intimidate people,"

It's insane thinking to confuse ideas, words and things. A picture of someone is only intimidating to an insane thinking person.

Damaging property and attempting to intimidate others has nothing to do with freedom of association or property rights.

You have every right of course to hire an ad firm and put up your own billboard with an opposing message. Or write about your disgust with the present one. Or not do business with those responsible for it, including the ad firm that was contracted to put it up.

Hmmm.. I wonder where you and Elaine were when it was Roman Catholics collecting money for the IRA in Toronto.

I didn't see too many "Freedom Party type" anti-terrorists at the St. Paddy's day parades in Toronto protesting.

But then - maybe you just didn't know about the IRA supporters here in Canada because there were no billboards.

Would you rather the shit was all hidden from under your nose, or that you knew about it and could make choices regarding your associations?

I'd hazard a guess that over the past four decades, there was more money from quite possibly some of your friends going to blow up people and places in Northern Ireland from private individuals in North America than there is going to Hizbollah from private sources in N. America.

Some "Freedom Party" members have some very odd and inconsistent ideas about freedom and foreign involvement/warfare and just what constitutes property rights and freedom of association.

Elaine, personally I don't give a shit about "laws" enacted by some persons that claim to have power over me and claim to have wisdom or knowledge about what of my or your or anyone else's inherent rights they should be able to infringe upon.

I'm certainly no supporter of Hizbollah or any terrorist organization - including our own government and that of the USA.

Not a dime of my money that I know of or that has been consentually traded away has gone to such organizations.

But if some wish to put up a billboard with someone's picture on it, I'm certainly not going to advocate violence or asking for "law" to have it removed.

No matter how disgusting it might be to me. It disgusts me that some would associate themselves with Gerry Adams - a known leader of the IRA - including folk that are members of George Bush's cabinet who have met with Gerry Adams, the terrorist.

But I'm not going to advocate spiking their bread and wine with poison before the priest does his abracadabra to turn it into Christ's body. I just won't sell them my bread or wine.

Yes Mike, I've read some Bastiat. But I don't need to read Bastiat to understand what freedoms of expression, property rights, and association are and mean. And what they don't mean.

It's funny - some folks who claim to be anarchists, libertarians, or "Freedom Party" supporters (Randians) like the idea of a free market, limited government, blah blah blah.. but still want laws to be enforced when it's their own peculiar "feelings" that are hurt.

Marijuana laws? Who needs them.

Billboards that offend me? Damn.. that's good enough to limit freedom of expression and enforce THE LAW.

Heh.

The funny thing is - at least NOW YOU KNOW what ad firm is willing to do business with possible Hisbollah supporters. Before the billboard went up, you didn't know.

You now have more knowledge that you can use that you didn't have before.

But instead, it seems you'd rather have a "law" that would protect you from having such knowledge or having your feelings hurt or your heart offended.


"The only reason to put someone like Nasrallah on a billboard is to intimidate people, and most importantly Muslims included, by openly demonstrating that Hezbollah has reach here"

Silliness. Hezbollah supporters have likely been in Canada for years. Just like there have been IRA supporters in Canada - and who have run guns from North America to Ireland, for decades. Even folk who had claimed to hold "classical liberal" ideas were supporting that form of terrorism because they insanely had ideas that they justified themselves with in regard to the destruction of property and killing of people in Northern Ireland.

Weird, bizarre inconsistent thinking.

I'm curious, Mike - do you think there should be limitations of any sort on freedom of expression?

And do you really think that Hizbollah has any intentions of political power here in Canada? Do you think that when the IRA was doing it's recruiting and financial drives here in North America, that it had "reached Canada" and were interested in political power here?

Wouldn't you have wanted to know?

If someone were to satirically suggest pig's blood on a Canadian Jewish Congress billboard because of that organization's work at politically limiting freedom of expression, would you be calling that anti-semitism?

(See http://www.cjccc.ca/stophate/stophate.html).

Mike, do you support the Canadian Jewish Congress and it's use of political means to send thugs with guns to people's houses to arrest them for expressions the CJC doesn't like?

Mike and Elaine, would you support thugs with guns coming to my house to arrest me for treason for my expressions which are not supportive of the State, and thereby could be construed as "treason" by some?

Do you believe it is sane to be intimidated by a billboard?

UpMyKilt said...

"Anyone want to start a betting pool on how long it will take for Windsor to start aiming rockets at London"

Sure Elaine. I'll give a thousand to one odds that it won't happen in your or my lifetime (actually, I'd give the same odds for the next two hundred years, but neither of us would be alive to collect).

Give me your dollar, Elaine and I'll pay you a thousand bucks when Windsor starts aiming rockets at London.

What silly fear mongering insane rubbish.

Note - the bet isn't about any act of "terror" in London, but the City of Windsor aiming rockets at London.

Come on Elaine - I'll take you up on your silly bet. I'll put a thousand dollars in a long term bond, to be paid to you when the City of Windsor, having been taken over by Hezbollah, aims rockets at London, Ontario. If it happens on your deathbed, the money can go to you or persons of your choice.

UpMyKilt said...

Another question for Mike and Elaine:

Do you think that the "Red Hand of Ulster" flag should be banned in Canada because some Irish Roman Catholics/Republican supporters here in Canada find it deeply offensive?

How about the Irish tri-colours, which under that flag, some have killed and maimed using terrorist tactics?

How far are you prepared to go in using "the law" to ban things or organizations?

And what makes your support, tacit or otherwise for such bans, reasonable, while others demands are unreasonable?

Elaine said...

Upmykilt, I think you are missing the point about hezzasshole being a known and banned terrorist organization here in Canada. How can you even suggest the billboard was innocent, and not meant to recruit terrorist, and intimidate infidels. That is exactly what it was. The hezzasshole terrorist faction in Windsor stated they were not made to take it down, that they only rented the space for the weekend, and the time had expired. I don't like the sign. I see it as a declaration of hatred towards Canada, and all it stands for. It advocates for islamic oppression, death and violence, via the hezzasshole head honcho's image. I would have liked them to have left it up. It was sending the message out of what the islamist intent is for us, and our country. The more real Canadians who know this, the easier it will be to eradicate the islamist terrorist, and their supporters.

I would respond to the other stuff, but it is sort of on the fucking nutty sort of things, so I will have to pass.

UpMyKilt said...

"Upmykilt, I think you are missing the point about hezzasshole being a known and banned terrorist organization here in Canada."

No, I haven't missed that point at all. Most folk who talk about "rights" generally hold to freedom of expression and freedom of association. You don't cherry pick if you're consistent.

"How can you even suggest the billboard was innocent, and not meant to recruit terrorist, and intimidate infidels."

The billboard is guilty?

Heh. You need to understand the essential difference between ideas, things, and words: They are not the same.

"I don't like the sign. I see it as a declaration of hatred towards Canada, and all it stands for."

That's "nice." I don't like folks who spout on about banning some forms of expression - I see that as being against freedom and liberty and advocating for State control of the mind. Does that mean I should be asking for such expressions I don't like to be banned?

Sheesh.

"I would respond to the other stuff, but it is sort of on the fucking nutty sort of things, so I will have to pass."

Right. About as fucking nutty as suggesting Windsor will be aiming rockets at London.

Elaine said...

Excuse me Mr.Inherent rights, I forgot who I was talking to. I should of known subtle sarcasm would confuse the fanatical fuck out of you.

UpMykilt said...

Yeah, talking about Windsor being taken over by a terrorist organization and aiming rockets at London - sure.. that's subtle.

From a fear of burkhas to rockets. You've come a long way, baby :)

elaine said...

You have often heard it said
that a picture speaks a thousand words....
It can speak of kind thought
fantasy and charm, also be a warning of danger and harm,
it can show us the future and the past,
it can make us happy, or kick us in the ass

every picture has a message, and to those who can see
the hezzassholes in Windsor, would like to kill we.

....so Upmykilt, you over preaching at the mosque on inherent rights, or would that be too big of a mind leap from believing in flying horses?

UpMyKilt said...

Nice poetry. Reality and pictures are not the same. Whatever emotion you have by looking at a picture is your emotion and has nothing to do with sane thinking.

No, I'm not preaching in mosques. If I'm invited to do so, I'll consider the invitation however.

Mosques are private property, and just as I wouldn't interupt a Christian service, I won't interupt a Muslim one either.

Hey - did you see the video about the thousands of Christians in Washington DC recently that are calling for pre-emptive strikes against Iran, and hoping for Armageddon so the second return of Jesus will happen?

Some religion of peace that is too, huh?

Elaine said...

Emotion and insanity is what drives the hezzasshole terrorist. All thoughts can become some sort of reality. Religion is just a passed down mass thought, not based in reality, but real to many. Killing people because they don't believe in what you do, that is real, it is about as real as you can get. Do you believe that is an inherent right?

All religion is an oddity to me, I believe some are odder than others though. Some are downright dangerous.

The whole town of Windsor has changed now. Not like the merchants can advertise a big blow out sale at the mall any longer, thanks to the hezzasshole faction.

UpMyKilt said...

"Killing people because they don't believe in what you do, that is real, it is about as real as you can get. Do you believe that is an inherent right?"

Nope.

When that billboard starts killing people of its own free will and accord, let me know.

When the words on that billboard come to life and start spraying the place with bullets, let me know that too.

Elaine, do you support bans on expressions?

Maybe the ones you disagree with?

Lisa said...

Ian;

Elaine can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think she is advocating a ban on expression.

UpMyKilt said...

Lisa,

These are quotes from Elaine:

""I doubt if they can make them take down the terrorist recruiting billboard, because of the stupid liberal multicultural bill of rights."

"....hmmmmm the Canadian governement declared the hezzassholes a terrorist organization. I wonder if they will arrest those terrorist supporters in Windsor for facilitating known terrorist on Canadian soil."

But yes, she contradicts herself in other places.

So it's difficult to know exactly what she is advocating. That's why I asked that last question.

Especially in light of her silly remarks about Windsor being managed by Hezbollah and aiming rockets at London and suggesting a betting pool.

Mike said...

UMK,

A picture of someone is only intimidating to an insane thinking person.

Forgive me, but the practice of evaluating concrete things and events outside of their contexts is also a widely recognized characteristic of such a person. And when real things and events are extracted from their contexts and reduced to A's and B's in a philosophical formula, yes, they do become absurd, and lose all meaning that would not be available to an algorithm. But to substitute back in the world of flesh and metal bolts: to people who see such a thing it is a demonstration of the reach of Hezbollah. How is that not intimidating? (The question is as rhetorical as this sentence is parenthetical.)

Would you rather the shit was all hidden from under your nose, or that you knew about it and could make choices regarding your associations?

I'd rather the law do what they are paid to do, which is to crack down hard on Hezbollah supporters. (*)

I would condone the state's use of the iron fist to investigate, prosecute over, and tear down inflammatory third world style billboard with warlords on them, here in my peaceful country. Let jackboots trample upon the whole enterprise of jackboot import/export. Bid the truncheon tell a tale of how unwelcome warlike totalitarian movements are in Canada.

Anyways, the billboard appears to have been a probe, and has come down. The trail should be followed.

By the way, nothing I say should be confused with Freedom Party. This is local and federal, anyways.

I grant you the last word.

(*) Unless there are AK47s in it for my people. One of those would completely go with my aviator sunglasses... and come to think of it, with one of those and a divine mandate to use it, I would probably be able to get things free that I now have to pay for! Wait a minute...

Elaine said...

Upmykilt, you are just pissed off because you are from Windsor, and your hezzasshole terrorist are fucking dumb. It looks to me like all the inbred hillbilly type hezzasshole terrorist from the hills of Lebanon settled in Windsor. They are so dumb they will be walking around town with a sign hanging off them stating, "look at me, I'm a hezzasshole terrorist, and I can dentonate at any minute."

At least our Lebanese hezzasshole terrorist here in London have enough sense not to come out in public, unless it is for a parade or bbq put on for them by our London commie group.

UpMyKilt said...

"to people who see such a thing it is a demonstration of the reach of Hezbollah. How is that not intimidating?"

The "reach" of Hezbollah. What the heck does that mean, Mike?

Is that like.. the "reach" of anarchists who are able to post their thoughts on websites?

"I would condone the state's use of the iron fist to investigate, prosecute over, and tear down inflammatory third world style billboard with warlords on them,"

"inflammatory." Some would consider your own ideas and words about marijuana legislation to be "inflammatory."

Should the State have an "iron fist" as far as some posts here on The London Fog in regard to disobeying current drug laws?

You appear to be quite inconsistent.

It's that inconsistency I don't get.

As far as the Freedom Party reference, yeah... I was thinking of McKeevor's comments about the "morality" of invading other nations even when that other nation has not been aggressive towards the invader. Which is quite inconsistent with other premises they hold to.

UpMyKilt said...

"Upmykilt, you are just pissed off because you are from Windsor, and your hezzasshole terrorist are fucking dumb."

Huh? I'm not from Windsor. I've probably spent a maximum of ten hours of my entire life in Windsor. A day at the Liberty Seminar and the other times, driving through to cross the border.

What are you on?

"It looks to me like all the inbred hillbilly type hezzasshole terrorist from the hills of Lebanon settled in Windsor."

Start looking harder. You're already mistaken about where I'm from; you're probably quite mistaken about what you think you've seen.

So Elaine, do you support the banning of some expressions?

UpMyKilt said...

Mike,

What are your thoughts on my ancestral claims which have been acepepted by popes and others to be a member, albeit at times, very much harrassed and my own ancestors being roylly fucked for the claim.. of being a member of the lost tribe of Israel?

my ancestors..and even the Pope, seemed to agree, 700 years ago, with the Declaration of Arbroath.

Hey Mikey and Elaine., do you either of you think, due to my own ancestral holocasts over the past 1300 years, which have included thousands, hundreds of thousands, burned at the stake. and thousands. possibly millions even, terrorised... hey..

do ya think I should be making a legitimate claim for some land in the Middle East, where all evidince points to some historical "rights" ??

Whaddaya thinkk? As far as I cn tell, I'm pure Scotch/Irish..and of the same stock of folk that made the "declaration of arbroath" 700 years ago, to a Pope. an authority, and with a claim that was never disproven.. of.. being one of "God's Chosen People," the lost tribes, and I guess, by your reckoning and philosophy, I should own sojme piece of land in the middle east.

Just wondering.. mike.. can I count on your support, even though it might make others angry..angry enout to. uhh.. form or join a terrorist group?

Those god damn good for nothing terrorists! When a state decides what land is yours, the crazy buggers should just compply!!! Ya know?

If they don't comply, then why, they are just.... terrorists!

700 years of ancient history of my ancestral claims to being part of the lost tribes of Israel, and not denied by the authority at the time.. well damn.. hmmm.. I guess I[m entitled to the very best part of what is now Israel.. that part the kingdom of Judah tried to fight my people... my people being more Godly,weren't as evil in our fightting ways...

Ya know?

Mikey, I look forward to your support of my people, being the people of the Lost Tribes, to settle some lands.. and bring democracy and logic to the place..and yeah.. fuck the dissedents there.

Love ya, Mike! I know I can count on you!!!! it will be such a relief for me, and my people, knowing what they've gone through over the past thiousand years..and damn.. some are still going through.. and some are even accepting!! Norman rule over what are known to be the lost tribes.. and all the discrimination and historical murdering that has gone along with that.

Can't wait to get to that Palestine place, and I look forward to your assistance in helping me take over a plot of land. Would be especially good if you can convince some folks to uhh.. well.. send my govermnent that I'll vote for..some money, to help me divert some water from the others.

Amazing - in 50 years from now, counting on your help and recognitition and realization that the Normans should not rule over me.. and you'll help me break free.. from a tradition of.. servitude, destruction, and whoring my wives and daughters to the Norman English... I'll be able to have a plot of my own from where my ancestors came from!

I know I know.. some will get upset... but I can count on you to value my historical grievances, and then my "rights" to what my great great great great great great great great grandfathers might have farmed. Heh... I wonder if any of them.. like.. uhh.. fucked their sheep. I mean.. the old Bible stuff talks about that.. guess it was for a reason. Damn, hope it wasn't one of MY great great great great ancestors that did that!

Fuck Mikey, this is aweomome.. wish you were here! I've got this plot of land, that I guess one of my ancestors might have worked.. hech, maybe one of them even died beside King David, ya know?

And now, well.. it's mine! Cuz.. the Brits and the Zionists decided that I should have it.

Amazing.

I know.. I know.. there are some who are envious. Some.. uhh.. well.. some Arab wants to claim the land I'm improviving with all the money I'm getting from you, combined with the ability to divert water... the Arab dude is jealous. What a fucking dweeb he is!!

Thnkk you can send me some more money to defend this place, and to contingue to divert water so god will be happy that I've done my bit to make the desert bloom?

I know I know.. there are a bunch of people here.. that kind of are quite envious of the money you have sent me alrady to help me make my little piece of of the desert bloom.. they say that they worked their fingernails previous to me having it, to get a wee bit of this and that...

great fun to make them envious, and even shoot them when they decide my property is there property. Thanks to folk like you, Mike, and your government, that sends my government money, so I can get water at hardly any cost to me, and make my part of the desert bloom. Fucking aye, man!

Between you and me, it would be really cool if we could have the King of Jordan agreeing to rule over those folk that are so pissed off at us. Would solve so many problems, aye, between statists, you know what I mean, right? wink wink

Well, talk to you soon. I'm just beside myself at the moment, trying to get a grip on "property rights" and am so thankful my ancester, Joshua, invaded the place, and then after the Romans invaded us, you wonderful Christians deciced to hold the place for us! Love you.. love the financial support you are sending...

Oh, by the way, I do sincerely hope your queen and the aboriginals figure out the agreemens. Indeed, I hope those crazy Welsh fok also see reality too.

take care... love you!!!

Elaine said...

UMK, you are talking like a socialist stating there is no right or wrong, just grey.

You don't like the Jews, and that is free for you to express. I happen to think they have a right to exist, and defend Israel.

I think I must of missed that lesson on how to hate a Jew as a child. I only knew one Jew growing up, and wouldn't even of known she was a Jew except for the tattoo. I asked her what that was on her wrist, and she told me she was a Jew. I never thought anything about it, just thought it meant she was part of a club, like the motorcyle guys and their tattoos.

She ran the bakery down home, and she would give us kids the broken cookies on the way home from school.

It was the orangemen that we were taught to fear.

I wanted to join brownie's, and I wasn't allowed because the weekly meetings were held at the orangemen hall.

I was so afraid of them I thought for sure if one of them got a hold of me they would boil me in a pot and eat me.

Elaine said...

..and Upmykilt, in this moment of time, people on our soil are in danger of dying because of a group of people's belief in a backward barabric death cult.

What are you going to do if you see Santa Claus dressed in drag coming at you with a raised machete, tongue oscillating making the sound of a wounded turkey, that only the islamic terrorist seem to be capable of making?

You going to put your hand up and say, "hey! cut that out, you are stomping on my inherent rights"

oh yeah, that should work.

UpMyKilt said...

"UMK, you are talking like a socialist stating there is no right or wrong, just grey."

Actually, I was being satirical. A style you should know about, no?

There is right and wrong, and comes down to whether or not an action infringes upon the rights of another, without the other's consent.

I don't care who the fuck you are, or what your ancestors went through, or anything else.


"You don't like the Jews, and that is free for you to express. I happen to think they have a right to exist, and defend Israel."

You have idiotic ideas. I don't dislike Jews. There are however, some ideas that some Jews have communicated, that I dislike very much.

There are some ideas that some Muslims have communicated that I dislike very much.

There are some ideas that some Irish have communicated that I dislike very much.

There are some ideas that some Canadians have communicated that I dislike very much.

I very much detest the ideas that some Muslims including those of Hezbollah, that I detest.

It's likely that the words written on the billboard in Windsor are communicating ideas I detest; I don't know as I can't read them to know for sure.

I also know that some detest some of the ideas that I have and that I have communicated.

"I think I must of missed that lesson on how to hate a Jew as a child."

There are probably a maximum of three people in this entire world that I have an emotion of "hatred" for. One is my former landlord, an Italian.

"I only knew one Jew growing up, and wouldn't even of known she was a Jew except for the tattoo."

Some of my ancestors never got tattoos. They were burnt at the stake for their ideas.

By Roman Catholics.

"..and Upmykilt, in this moment of time, people on our soil are in danger of dying because of a group of people's belief in a backward barabric death cult."

Yes. Watch the video of the Christians that want a nuclear war in the middle east. They believe it will be the event that leads to the return of their "Saviour."

"What are you going to do if you see Santa Claus dressed in drag coming at you with a raised machete, tongue oscillating making the sound of a wounded turkey, that only the islamic terrorist seem to be capable of making?"

I dunno. Statists have decided to prevent me from owning items that I might use to defend myself in such a case.

"You going to put your hand up and say, "hey! cut that out, you are stomping on my inherent rights""

And who the fuck is going to come to your aid, when your State decides they don't like your ideas, and decide to lock you up over it?

Probably people like me.

Elaine, I dislike statists of all persuasions that would try to ban some expressions, or demand welfare, or infringe on the property rights of others.

I despise the ideas of the Nazis. I despise the ideas of some Zionists.

I despise the ideas of members of Hezbollah.

I despise the ideas of incorrect historical facts being used to justify some individuals today having some false rights to infringe on other's rights.

Elaine, would you care to answer my question: Do you support the banning of some experssions?

Elaine said...

I have to think about that. You know how some Irish men like to sleep with sheep....well I am not sure if I would like to see that expressed on a billboard, even if it were consensual. If they just wanted to glue a picture of sheep shagging on their bedroom ceiling to admire every night before they went to bed, well I would be ok with that. Now if sheep shagging comes in vogue and everyone and their dog is participating in it, well I could change my mind. I have to think about it, and I suggest you do to.

Elaine said...

Ian, I have to tell you something.

I really don't know too much about the lost tribes of Israel, and you are forever going on about it. I decided I am going to educate myself on the subject to have some ammunition to kick you in the ass with.

So I start googling it, and the first site I hit, it says, "if you are reading this, God sent you here." I am thinking, well Ian may think he is, but I have my doubts.

I will be reading for the next ten years there is so much material to go through.

There are so many sites, give me good one that will give me a quick synopsis on what that is all about.

Elaine said...

Ian, I am not waiting any longer.

I found this site and if you send them a clump of hair and spit in a bottle they will do a dna test to see if you bleong to one of the tribes.

It only cost $450.00 and if you are the real deal they'll send you a coat of arms of your lost tribe, and a certificate of authentication.

I am going for it, I must belong to somebody. Might be a land claim in it for me.

If I get it I will expect you guys to be addressing me as her royal highness, Honey Pot, the Queen of Sheba.

UpMyKilt said...

"You know how some Irish men like to sleep with sheep"

No, I don't know how some Irish men like to sleep with sheep.

"Now if sheep shagging comes in vogue and everyone and their dog is participating in it, well I could change my mind. I have to think about it, and I suggest you do to."

Precisely.. heh. I have thought about expressions and whether they should be "banned" often - and even those that disgust me personally, I've decided to be true to my premises. You seem to have areas of grey now, Elaine. It's ok if it's in "vogue."

"I really don't know too much about the lost tribes of Israel, and you are forever going on about it."

I am not "forever" going on about it. Your silly and insane projections about me. I haven't even thought about it for the past five days, let alone "forever go on about it" and prior to this discussion, probably hadn't thought about it in approximately three months.

When it is appropriate, I mention it.

"I will be reading for the next ten years there is so much material to go through."

I'll save you some time: Read the Jewish and Christian Holy Books. Those "religions of peace" seem to have quite a bit of significance to some.

If your reading comprehension is typical, you could read what is now referred to as the "Old Testament" in less than a month. And you don't need Google or websites.

Simply visit a trashy motel and open the drawer. The Gideons have likely placed a copy of a book which includes the Old Testament in that drawer.

"There are so many sites, give me good one that will give me a quick synopsis on what that is all about."

Read the Jewish and Christian Bible. It's so much easier that way.

"Might be a land claim in it for me."

Possibly, if your into Statism and other non-free ideas. You can claim all you want.

Hey, were DNA tests around back in the 1940's?

Your sarcasm becomes you. Tell me what land claims anywhere are legitimate, and based on what? Do you have grey areas of right and wrong?

If I'm escaping from someone here in my town that wants to maime or kill me, and I flee to your town, and I maime you, evict you with force, or kill you, do I now have a legitimate right to your property?

"If I get it I will expect you guys to be addressing me as her royal highness, Honey Pot, the Queen of Sheba."

An insane expectation. Anyone who knows me know that I respect no title.

I might call you Honey Pot if indeed, my tongue senses sweetness or something. :P


By the way, do you know that some Muslim States are working to increase freedom, while our State, and the USA, is working to decrease it?

Do you know that it is an outright lie when folks say that the State of Israel is a "non-religious" nation?

Check out the "Right of Return" law. If you were a Jew that has converted to Christianity, you've lost the "right of return."

Again, I don't hate Jews. I do despise some of what Zionism is all about though.

Just as I despise what some Northern Irish have ideas about "unionism" (meaning with the UK) and those ideas espoused by some "Republicans."

Elaine, the reason I sometimes point out the "lost tribes" is because of the false beliefs about history some hold in regard to Zionism.

Historically, Zionism is a belief in that which the Bible and Jewish scriptures hold to be true. These scriptures teach that Zionism cannot occur until the full nation of Israel has been restored by God.

A true Zionist therefore, is one that believes in Holy Scripture and Prophecy. A Zionist today is a Zionist who has no basis for their own sense of "right and wrong" other than their own preconcieved notions and for them to use their Scriptures or even traditional history is bizarre.

Anyhow.. Elaine.. just get your Bible. Read 1 and 11 Kings, 1 and 11 Samuel, and a few more of the prophetic books, then read the New Testament and have a handy Concordance nearby.

Then go visit some Orthodox Jews and ask questions.

Much better than looking at silly websites.

Elaine, what do you think of Christians who are praying for the conversion of the Jews, while calling for nuclear attacks on Iran?

Religion of peace, huh?

Elaine said...

Ian what do you think about saving your own arse? Do you believe that Iran is some sort of harmless entity in the ME? Do you believe they have some sort of an inherent right to call for the genocide of the Jews?

Who picked this fight Ian? Who wanted it? The jihadist wanted it, and now they have it.

If it is a choice between the christians and the jihadist, I am going with the christians. There is a chance for mankind to evole under the christians, not so with the jihadist religion.

Iran needs to have its limbs amputated, and its mouth duct taped. I think that would go along way in helping to introduce the ME to the civilized world.

UpMyKilt said...

"Ian what do you think about saving your own arse?"

I have many thoughts about it. Would you be more specific?

"Do you believe that Iran is some sort of harmless entity in the ME?"

All States are harmful to individuals. I don't "support" any of them.

"Do you believe they have some sort of an inherent right to call for the genocide of the Jews?"

About as much right as Christians calling for the genocide of millions in the Middle East in order to bring on the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.

"Who picked this fight Ian? Who wanted it? The jihadist wanted it, and now they have it."

You seriously need to read more history. To make an outright false generalization such as yours is ridiculous, as if to assume that it's all been a one-sided affair.

"There is a chance for mankind to evole under the christians, not so with the jihadist religion."

Ya think? Hehe.. you need to read more history.

When "Christianity" was the predominant religion of Europe, and Kings and Queens gave allegiances to Popes, Bishops and Priests, that era was called "The Dark Ages" for valid reasons.

It was around the time of the renaiscance and liberal thinkers and philosophers putting forth ideas of individual inherent rights, some of whom were condemned to death by Popes, Bishops and Priests, when mankind began to continue their knowledge evolution.

Throughout the history of organized Christianity, in the name of Christianity and the thirst for power, organized Christianity has been no different than extreme Muslim jihadists.

"Iran needs to have its limbs amputated, and its mouth duct taped. I think that would go along way in helping to introduce the ME to the civilized world."

Western "civilized" States created the Middle East as it is today.

The State of Iran was created by the British, French and American states, mostly. And the US financially supported and wanted a dictator to rule the individuals of Iran.

The US State did not want democracy in Iran.