Tuesday, August 21, 2007

Mine Your Own Business

"Mine Your Own Business exposes the dark side of environmentalism."



From the director:

"Once, according to our religious leaders, it was our sins that were leading us to damnation. Now, according to our environmental leaders, it is polluting actions of man that will lead to our damnation.

"How little we have all progressed and how we still love to listen to harbingers of doom would be mildly amusing if it were not for the pernicious effects of such beliefs on the poorest people in some of the poorest countries in the world."

10 comments:

UpMyKilt said...

It's an interesting video - I purchased the DVD about a year ago.

But there appears to be some controversy about it - including the corporation wanting some welfare payments and help from the government over there as well.

As you probably know, I detest welfare of any type - whether that is in the form of special concessions to corporations or nations or individuals.

I don't recall all the issues off hand, meant to do some further research but other priorities got in the way.

eng said...

What a bunch of baloney! They now open mines to "help the poor"? Give me a break.

In many of these areas the people live as they did for many generations. But when the development comes, in one generation they lose their land, way of life and social structure. They are given a few dollars, nowhere near enough to provide the infrastructure that would support the lifestyle that the environmentalists are supposedly denying them.

Then they end up begging on the streets of the nearest big city. But of course they were paid a "fair" price for their land and resources, weren't they? And if they lost it, it is all their fault, so we don't need to help them. Besides at that point they have nothing we want. Too bad they could not assimilate 500 years of western civilization, so they were fools and they were soon parted with their gold.

Typical far right propaganda. Steal from everyone, and then blame them. Anyone who gets in your way is stealing "hope" from these poor savages. And isn't hope enough? You wouldn't want to actually make their lives better, just give them a little hope, and a few coins. Then swindle the coins back.

Disgusting.

Elaine said...

Eng, you being a spoiled glowtardian leftie, you wouldn't understand the importance of providing jobs. You can go to any place in the world that is economically depressed and trying to eek out a living picking through garbage dumps, ask them what they need and they will tell you it is a job.

The glowtardian left would deprive the real poor a right to live as they do to save their fucking flowers.

You have no idea what real poverty is. They don't chose to be poor in third world countries, and weave baskets, so fuckers like you have a nice place to go on vacation.

Let them have their industrial revolution.

You glowtaridans can play at being poor here where everything except someone wiping your ass is provided for you.

Real poverty is ugly, and you glowtaridans have no right to demand others to live it to save your fucking flowers.

eng said...

You can go to any place in the world that is economically depressed and trying to eek out a living picking through garbage dumps, ask them what they need and they will tell you it is a job.

They only end up picking through garbage after their resources have been strip mined and their former livelihoods destroyed. Oh, not quite then, it is after they have lost the coins they were given as "compensation" in the casino conveniently located near their former lands. And of course there is no gaming commission there, so they don't even get a chump's chance at keeping their money in the casino, before they are off to living in the dump. They get to be marks twice.

deprive the real poor a right to live
They do just fine, as they have for generations, until their resources are strip mined and they are compensated with trinkets.


You are making the same argument as was made to support keeping apartheid. "It provides jobs".

Slavery provided jobs too.

So does organ donation.

The "jobs" consist of hiring one quarter of the population to act as guards to keep the other three quarters off their former lands. Once the resource is gone, so are the jobs.

Let them have their industrial revolution.
Great idea. But that is not what you are advocating.

Keep the foreign mining companies out who only want to exploit the resources and leave everyone else holding the bag for the formerly self sufficient people there.

Real poverty is ugly
Of course it is, so why do you want to impose it on these people who currently are self sufficient?

Elaine said...

I forgot you are a lefty so working for a living is considered slavery to you. Next thing we know you will handing out cans of tuna with your picture on it.

eng,if you think forging for food in garbage dumps and shitting/ pissing in the same river you drink from ,a quaint traditional way of life, perhaps you should try it. It might seem romantic to you, but for the people who have to live it.... I am sure they would trade your way of life for theirs.

You sit there with your ass planted in front of your computer, preaching about global warming and how the world must stop any type of commercial industry, so you can sit there with your ass planted in front of your computer.

If you really believed in what you preach at us, you would surely be glad to turn off your electricity and water to do your part to save mother earth.

Elaine said...

Oh, not quite then, it is after they have lost the coins they were given as "compensation" in the casino conveniently located near their former lands.-eng

Oh, and by the way eng, you are a fucking controlling racist asshole. If the workers decide to go to the casino that will be their choice, not yours. If they lose their money that will be their folly, not yours. The left believe that people of color are their own personal pets, and incapable of rising above poverty. If they had money they would just drink and gamble it away. Fuck off, you don't own those people and they are just as capable as anyone else to make a decision. Good or bad, it is their decision, they own it.

eng said...

forgot you are a lefty so working for a living is considered slavery to you. Next thing we know you will handing out cans of tuna with your picture on it.

Sorry I couldn't comment earlier, I was at work.

if you think forging for food in garbage dumps and shitting/ pissing in the same river you drink from ,a quaint traditional way of life,

Nice straw man argument. You are the one who will doom those people to that kind of a life, once you have sucked the resources out of the land and then run away. They don't have regulations that might leave the land usable again for the people there, once the security jobs at your mine have vanished with the mine.

You sit there with your ass planted in front of your computer, preaching about global warming and how the world must stop any type of commercial industry, so you can sit there with your ass planted in front of your computer.

You're projecting as usual, I certainly did not say stop any type of commercial activity. You are the one who is actually against commercial activity, since you advocate extreme short term unsustainable activity that only provides a quick return for a few at the expense of many.

You're stealing too. I brought up the "sitting on your ass in front of the computer" line earlier. Try to be original in your lame insults.


Good or bad, it is their decision, they own it.

Brave words.

If we had the same laws as those countries, I would long ago have swindled you out of your house (by fraud), got you fired from your job (by slandering you), had you locked up for a while (by claiming you assaulted me) and you would now be living in a dump foraging for garbage.

That's because none of those things are illegal in those places.

You are the "fucking controlling racist asshole" for assuming the people everywhere else want to live like you.

You don't want to help people elsewhere actually have development, you just want to rape and pillage their lands, free from all those regulations that might slightly reduce your profits.

Elaine said...

When a country is prosperous,it is much easier to bargain for civlity amongst its citizens.

When people are starving, they go by the law of survial. Anything goes.

You have no right to deprive these people from working and acquiring a standard of living that will improve their lives.

They don't need you to tell them how to live, or what they can spend their money on. Are they making demands on you? Why do you feel you have the right to think for them?

You are the racist. I am very confident in stating that there is not a mother in this world that would like to have their children die in their arms from malnutrion, or a preventable disease, so you can look at the pretty trees.

eng, what do you suppose the answer would be to this question presented to the people in third world countries."Would you like to work and provide for your family, or live in a mud hut, snare rats and forage through garbage dumps to fed your children, so some racist environmental nutjob gets paid be gobs of money to keep you in your place? I am very confident in what thier answer would be.

eng said...

You have no right to deprive these people from working and acquiring a standard of living that will improve their lives.
You are the one who wants to deprive these people. You do not want to improve their lives. You simply want to strip mine the resources and leave them holding the bag.

You have no right to destroy their country.

They don't need you to tell them how to live, or what they can spend their money on. Are they making demands on you? Why do you feel you have the right to think for them?
They don't need you to swindle them either.
Why do you feel you have the right to strip mine their country and only give a few of them guard jobs while you are there?

You are the racist.
No, you are.

I am very confident in stating that there is not a mother in this world that would like to have their children die in their arms from malnutrion, or a preventable disease, so you can look at the pretty trees.

It wouldn't matter what the reason, no mother would like their children dying. Pretty trees? WTF?

But that is not the question here. You are trying to make that the question, but that is not the question. You are simply presenting a false choice so that the best option is one that results in you strip mining the country and leaving the people there scavenging in dumps. There are other choices. You just want to talk around it so that strip mining the country is the "best" one.

eng, what do you suppose the answer would be to this question presented to the people in third world countries."Would you like to work and provide for your family, or live in a mud hut, snare rats and forage through garbage dumps to fed your children, so some racist environmental nutjob gets paid be gobs of money to keep you in your place? I am very confident in what thier answer would be.

Yes, I am sure you are confident what their answer would be. But perhaps they are not as stupid as you in your racist opinion think.

They might realize your promises of work and prosperity are lies and what little work there will be guarding the mine will disappear when the mine does. There will be no prosperity from your plan.

But of course, they won't get asked, will they? You'll just buy off the local authorities, cut the deal and train a few of the people to kick the rest off the land and keep them off. That's your "development" plan, isn't it?

And they still end up living in a mud hut, snaring rats and foraging through garbage dumps to feed their children, so some racist mining company's shareholders like yourself can make more money to spend on spreading lies.

Elaine said...

I know you are, but what am I? blah, blah, blah, blah.