Wednesday, March 1, 2006

Doctors to be "conscripted" in Ontario?

When Comrade Kwinter, Ontario's Pot Czar, is in the news, it's a bad day for individual freedom.

Sweeping new Ontario emergency legislation has health-care workers afraid they may be forced to choose between protecting their families and a jail sentence if a flu pandemic hits the province.

Bill 56 has raised alarms with doctors, nurses and other health-care workers because it contains a clause that gives the Ontario cabinet power to "authorize" any person reasonably qualified to provide services in a declared emergency.

The penalty for violating the proposed law is a fine of up to $100,000 and a year in jail for each day the order isn't obeyed.

[..] In introducing the legislation in December, Community Safety and Correctional Services Minister Monte Kwinter said he wanted the bill passed by June.

Kwinter said the law will give the government the ability to say to people: "No, you can't leave. We need you to do this job."
"Need" = "Force." Kwinter and his gang of public safety tyrants want to force doctors into slavery if they refuse to put themselves and their families at risk. Soon, the unclean vassals will be rolling up their sleeves for that mandatory flu shot. In order to protect "public" health and safety, individuals must be forced to act in the best interest of "the public" as defined by the twisted utilitarian logic of the rulers.

Read more about Comrade Monte Kwinter here, here, here, here, here, here, here and here.

Health care professionals ought to escape before they are drafted into serving the People of Ontario and head on over to Alberta. Citizens frustrated with long waiting lines are wise to follow the physicians. Leaving Ontario also means leaving George Slitherman behind.
Alberta has launched a major test of medicare rules, with plans to allow private insurance, let patients pay for faster access to hip and knee replacements and to give doctors the right to work in both the public and for-profit systems.

Critical reaction came quickly from Ontario, where Health Minister George Smitherman said Alberta's plans to let people pay cash to get to the front of the line are unfair and undermine medicare.

Smitherman also warned the proposal to let doctors work both in the public and private systems is "going to have very little effect except to leave a lot of abandoned patients behind in the public system."
People are currently abandoned by the public system, as can be evidenced by the shortage of doctors and the long waiting lines. Pouring more money into an overburdened monopoly isn't going to fix it, and Slitherman understands that, otherwise why the concern?

Via SDA, Big Lizards sums the situation up nicely:
In an interesting parallel with socialist arguments against school vouchers in America, socialist defenders of "free" health care in Canada warn that allowing private clinics will "drain the public system of doctors and nurses." This is tantamount to an admission that doctors, nurses, and patients are unhappy with the current system, though of course defenders of the status quo don't recognize that is what they are saying. Similarly, Americans who attack vouchers because students will flee the government schools are in fact making a wonderful argument for vouchers: they implicitly admit that when parents are allowed to "vote with their feet," they opt for capitalism over socialism.

[..] Much of what is driving the surreptitious (or at times, openly defiant) move towards a market in health care is the utter failure of the socialist model to deliver services in a timely manner. That is, the surgeries don't run on time. Waiting periods between initial consultation and treatment can run months or even years, causing many Canadians to bolt south to American hospitals to buy privately what they cannot beg from their own government.

But such stop-gap measures will not satisfy Canadians for long, I suspect. The capitalist impulse is strong, for the simple reason that the laws of the market are not just idealistic yearnings; they are laws of economic nature that cannot be evaded. Socialism can control the price but not the cost of goods and services; and eventually, somebody has to pay the difference between the two. In Canada, as in the United States, that piper-payer is inevitably the middle-class taxpayer.

But equally inevitably, such taxpayers demand they get their money's worth. And when the government proves incapable of delivering it, even Canadians will overcome their Eurocentric revulsion of dirty capitalism and opt for what works over what is flattering to a narcissistic altruism.


Honey Pot said...

If there is a pandemic, such as the avian flu, you will be able to run, but not hide. It will hit the urban centers hard and fast. That is because of the social policies of sitting up ghettos for the disenfranchised. Doctors and nurses are front line workers, they are going to be exposed, and they will be the first in line to be vacinated. I think if they don't want to work it, they should be the last in line for the vacination. Someone is going to have to look after the sick and dying. It will be a bunch of women that take over that duty more than likely. I think you would feel pretty crappy about yourself, if you had the expertise to treat the sick, and you ran to the hills and hid. There are birds in them there hills.

Mike said...

I think it's disgusting that these health care "workers" have families for them to want to go home to protect in the first place.

These doctors are willing to accept the honour society places on them with the title of MD and the expensive training. Yet they still feel entitled to a personal life -- no matter who has to die in order for them to get their kicks.

We are talking about a profession whose members are able to enjoy frivolous amusements such as roller coasters and Scrabble -- while others suffer and die all around them as they goof off.

Monte Kwinter and Ontario are taking an essential first step towards reclaiming our health care system. People have to come first.

Honey Pot said...

Why are soldiers, soldiers? Easy to be a soldier in peace time. Should they have the option to opt out of the military in times of war?

Lisa said...


Why are doctors in Cananda, especially in Ontario, doctors?

Do you support the draft? Does a shortage justify a summons of forced labour? Currently, Canada does not force citizens to submit to military service, yet somehow it is justified to force health care professionals to submit to the nanny laws of the nation?

Honey Pot said...

Lisa, I like think the doctors who are doctors in Canada, are doctors coz they care about people. I have met a few that were like that. I think if they want to take their chances against a pandemic of avian flu, and don't want to take that needdle, that is ok with me. I don't think too many of them would be that stupid, but there is always an exception. There is not enough vacination to go around, and we all know that. Can you buy the antidote on e-bay?

Little Big Man said...

You can "care about people" without being suicidal or self-sacrificial. If you care about doctors and nurses, you will pay them for the life-saving services they provide, instead of holding a gun to their heads. THAT is the issue.

Pietr said...

Doctors aren't doctors because they care about people.
They are doctors because they want to make plenty of money and do work they enjoy.
In Canada they aren't paid as they should be and the enjoyment is being murdered.

Honey Pot said...

I think there is something in that
hippocratic oath about doctors having to take care of everyone, reglardless of social class, or illness. Maybe they should get rid of it and replace it with the vow to make money, and discriminate against who they look after.

Pietr said...

If they still take the oath, I think all it said was 'first, do no harm'.
The rest doesn't ring any bells.
Except alarm bells.
As for discrimination, that is precisely what state medicine does to fat people,smokers and drinkers.

Honey Pot said...

Well they shouldn't be able to do that, you know discriminate. A good doctor wouldn't. Do you really want a doctor taking care of you that looks at you with a cha-ching in his eyeballs. Something sacred about doctors, or there should be. Sort of a gift to be able to look up people's gazoo's and at innards all day, and still be able to sit down and eat your supper. Not everyone could do that.

Honey Pot said...

Lookie the hypocritic oath....

I swear by Apollo the physician, by Æsculapius, Hygeia, and Panacea, and I take to witness all the gods, all the goddesses, to keep according to my ability and my judgement, the following Oath.

"To consider dear to me as my parents him who taught me this art; to live in common with him and if necessary to share my goods with him; To look upon his children as my own brothers, to teach them this art if they so desire without fee or written promise; to impart to my sons and the sons of the master who taught me and the disciples who have enrolled themselves and have agreed to the rules of the profession, but to these alone the precepts and the instruction.

I will prescribe regimens for the good of my patients according to my ability and my judgment and never do harm to anyone.

To please no one will I prescribe a deadly drug nor give advice which may cause his death.

Nor will I give a woman a pessary to procure abortion.

But I will preserve the purity of my life and my art.

I will not cut for stone, even for patients in whom the disease is manifest; I will leave this operation to be performed by practitioners, specialists in this art.

In every house where I come I will enter only for the good of my patients, keeping myself far from all intentional ill-doing and all seduction and especially from the pleasures of love with women or with men, be they free or slaves.

All that may come to my knowledge in the exercise of my profession or in daily commerce with men, which ought not to be spread abroad, I will keep secret and will never reveal.

If I keep this oath faithfully, may I enjoy my life and practice my art, respected by all men and in all times; but if I swerve from it or violate it, may the reverse be my lot."

....sounds sort of sacared to me.
Doesn't say a dam word in there about if the avian flu hit I am outta here.

Brent Gilliard said...

The CMA's code of ethics has these two "fundamental responsibilities" for physicians:

4. Consider the well-being of society in matters affecting health.

10. Promote and maintain your own health and wellbeing.

I know that doesn't make the issue any clearer, but I thought for the sake of discussion we should be informed.

The rest of the Code is at

Gordon Pasha said...

Conscription of labour in times of "need". The shear genius! Shut down the coal-fired power plants immediately! We are in desperate need of hydro-electric power!Conscript all engineers and all the necessary labour and ship them to the Hundson Bay lowlands to build the necessary dams!
It worked for the Soviet Union!
Trudeau thought it was a great idea!

Honey Pot said...

4. Consider the well-being of society in matters affecting health.

Would that not mean that the health of a society is suppose to be your top priority?

10. Promote and maintain your own health and wellbeing

Would that not mean to take Wednesday afternoons off to play golf, and to be bright enough to get the avian flu shot, so you don't die when the pandemic hits?

Pietr said...

Avian Flu is the new 'SARS', only far more practised.
Of course, the trouble with all forms of biological warfare is that they die out; there is a fundamental self-defeating intensity which defeats diseases spread deliberately.
Incidentally, why do all these diseases come from the last, great Communist nation, China?

And, I think that modern communications don't make the spread of diseases any more likely than they make the spread of immunity.
Ultimately, exposure strengthens populations against diseases from far-off places.
For example, why didn't the Black Death halt international shipping when annihilating domestic populations?

Honey Pot said...

I don't think it was a planned event. As far as it coming from China, that is just elementary my dear Watson. You can't cram people into ghetto's, with unclean water and living conditions not fit for a dog, and expect it to be a germ free environment. Just look at the living conditions here in London that some have to endure, namely the street people. They are going to have every clap going because of the social policy of forming ghettos for them. It is just odd to me that it is pretty clear how disease is spread, and still they persist on sitting up ghettos for the disenfranchised. Like it or not, if the health of everyone is not looked after, we all are going to suffer because of it.