Wednesday, March 29, 2006

And just what am I getting in return?



I was the victim of internal workplace spam today. Arriving in my work inbox was an email completely unrelated to my work although sent by a fellow employee I've never met. And I was only one recipient among many, the sender taking advantage of a fairly extensive email list to propagate a communist agenda, at the expense of their employer and co-workers. In the email, the sender encourages the receipients - also wasting their employer's time as they stop to read - to visit this page calling on The People to honour and protect the Liberal National Childcare Solution. They fail to explain why the Liberal Party of universal suffrage does not currently enjoy majority status in parliament.

The place to start is by protecting the early learning and child care agreements between the Government of Canada and the provinces. The federal-provincial agreements on child care were negotiated in good faith. They lay a foundation for a full system of early learning and child care that can meet the needs of all Canadian families. Cancelling them sets back the development of a national child care program for years to come, leaving families with young children to fend for themselves.

[..] While income support for families is a valid policy goal, a taxable family allowance and a tax credit for employers will not create early learning and child care services that are high quality, available and affordable. Families need income supports and publicly funded child care services. We call on all governments to protect and enhance progress on child care.
If the bunch of vultures clamouring for "free" childcare and entitlements really feel so strongly, why not provide them with the option of checking a box on their annual tax assessment indicating they would like to contribute a portion of their taxable income to the day to day operations of national daycare centres. But then, that would be sort of be like paying for it yourself and that's not fair.

33 comments:

Honey Pot said...

In return you are getting people Lisa. No subsidized daycare = no babies, simple as that. No people = no workforce = no economy. Makes sense to me. Sometimes you got to invest in things for a country to prosper.

Think about it. If there was no public school system, somewhere to ship the darlings everyday, there wouldn't be a baby born in Canada.

Ayn Steyn said...

Is Honey Pot serious?

I didn't have kids because I wanted to receive the expropriated wealth of others in return, but because I value being a parent and enjoy raising independent children who will one day fight this type of attitude.

Anonymous said...

Unfortunately Honey Pot does indeed seem to be serious. I hope she is not a Mom.

Those of us they really care about our kids do not want government run daycare, we want choices, and the right to make our own decisions about our children’s welfare.

If the Liberal plan goes through I'll be laughing the first time the daycare workers go on strike due to low wages, too many kids, or "job security". No matter what happens I will NEVER put my kids in a government run daycare.

Honey Pot said...

Anony, baloney. If you loved your children you would of stayed home with them, and raised them, instead of shipping them off to some underpaid lowly caregiver. Are you not worried what she might be putting in their heads? I mean what if the bitch taught your children to share, and be kind to others? What if she taught them tolerance, and that they are their brother's keepers? What if the rotten lowlife of a daycare provider was a closet socialist? Not like you would know, she is going to tell you what you want because you are paying her dirt to raise your monkeys. Don't give us that bullshit that you had to go to work to survive. If that was the case a better choice would have been not to breed. The little rugrats are expensive.

Ayn, and what would you teach your spawn? That they are number one, and the rest of the world can fuck off? Just curious.

MapMaster said...

Honey Pot's utilitarian economics seem to be entirely monetarily based — which is to suggest that the only calculation involved is financial — and aggregated collectively. Hopeful parents do, or at least should, consider finances among other costs and benefits, but to suggest that I or "we" have a stake in their decisions is an invitation for collective leverage over individual decisions — a.k.a. tyranny.

Of course I do rejoice when people have children. I recognize that children do represent a future net benefit to myself and everyone else in a free market. However, in a subsidized and regulated economy, the benefit is, as Honey Pot suggests, only that of ensuring a future supply of taxpayers to continue funding the subsidization… and her and my pension while they're at it. Aside from the question of whether that really is a net benefit to herself and myself personally, it certainly is not a benefit to those children — the welfare state requires children to be bred as slaves to work off the indentures of the present generation. Don't be surprised if they or their parents aren't too grateful for that.

Honey Pot said...

We have a mother of a stake on if people wnat to breed or not. No people, no workers, no consumers, no economy. People just don't want to breed anymore because it is a pain in the ass. Best give the breeders a cheap place to park their spawn, to keep the economy going.

Best treat the smelly, snotty nosed things well while we're at it. They are the one's that are going to be making the decision on pulling the plugs on our oxygen tanks.

Lisa said...

Honey;

We don't have subsidized daycare currently, but people keep having babies.

On the one hand you seem to suggest that women only breed because they are pressured into it. Why would anyone want "a smelly, snotty nosed" kid? I wonder what kind of childhood you had? On the other hand, you keep going on about investing in the future, essentially saying the women have an obligation to ?whom? to push out kids, invoking the kind of nightmarish society presented in books like "The Handsmaid's Tale". Why stop at a national daycare program? Why not force women to breed in order to save the country?

Do you have children HP?

Pietr said...

Honey, if you do some work, and thus preserve or enhance your life, the economy exists.
To suggest that the economy consists of 'other people' shows two things; one, you regard yourself as useless, and two, you intend to use other people's usefulness to stay alive uselessly.

Honey Pot said...

No man is an island there Sorehead. We sort of need that symbiotic thing to keep things going. You got to start looking past your expiration date. Mind you, most don't, but it does sort of make exisiting a bit more meaningful.

No, Lisa it is not a good idea to force women to breed. They get all uppity, burn their bras and want take over the world.

Better to give them incentives to breed. Cheap daycare is a good incentive for the breeders.

Why do you care if I have children Lisa? I don't care if you have any, and am sort of relieved that you don't to tell you the truth.

Anonymous said...

Honey Pot said
"Anony, baloney. If you loved your children you would of stayed home with them, and raised them, instead of shipping them off to some underpaid lowly caregiver."
I have a choice!!!! That was my entire point! I take deep offence that you would presume first I don't love my kids and second my caregiver is lowly and underpaid.

I want my kids to have what I did, a stable home with two happy parents who love them, and everything else comes after. If I need to work to provide them that, I will happily do so. I don't know about you but I like my heat and electricity, a roof over my head that I own and a decent, safe car to drive.

I made a lot of sacrifices to have kids, as you pointed out they are expensive to raise. I am ensuring an education for there future so they won't have to go into thousands of dollars of debt, and giving them what they need to be happy.

If I wanted the government to raise them I would have turned them over at birth and wouldn't have had to deal with sleepless nights and screaming kids. But maybe I LIKE sleepless nights and screaming kids, actually I don't, but I love my kids so it didn't matter.

Secondly my caregiver has her own home-based business which I imagine she does very well on, considering what I pay. Would you also have her put out of business and her children then put into government run daycare so she can work at Tim Hortins to attempt to make ends meet. In fact lets consider all of the home based businesses that would go under, all those people who used to earn a good living? Maybe welfare would be a better choice, because they can't collect employment insurance.

My caregiver has about the same ideas and ideologies as myself, I know because I’ve interviewed over 50 caregivers in the past 8 years and have never made a choice on cost. I pay more than is average for my sitter, but I’m insured that it is always the same person looking after my kids, a responsible, kind person who the kids and I love.

"Ayn, and what would you teach your spawn? That they are number one, and the rest of the world can fuck off? Just curious."
I am teaching my "spawn" to take care of themselves, to grow up and be responsible for their own actions, to make their own informed decisions and not to allow the government to make them for them.
It's all about choices - you do what you think is best for your kids, and I'll do what's best for mine. It's not up to you or the government to tell me how to raise my kids.

Honey Pot said...

Firstly, you are not paying the going rate. It is $150.00 per head in private daycare, and that is with you supplying the food. Of course if you skimp, you get what you pay for. Very interesting you can get into your caregivers head. You have no idea what she thinks, doubt if you even care, afterall she is the paid help. She is not going to jeopardize her pay to tell you what she really thinks. Part of her job would be to smile, and tell you how wonderful your house apes are.

Quality daycare is a beneficial thing to our species. Some children are much better off being raised in a daycare, than by their parents. Take for instance if your parents came from a long line of suicide bombers. You get into daycare, and the majority of kids tell you that to make that a career goal, is fucking nuts. I see that as a plus for that kid, and society.

Ayn Steyn said...

Honey Pot said....."Ayn, and what would you teach your spawn? That they are number one, and the rest of the world can fuck off? Just curious."


I teach them to be independent. I don't teach them that the rest of the world can fuck off, only that the rest of the world that expects them to live for the sake of "others" can fuck off. The rest of the world that thinks that they don't have a right to exist for themselves.

Ayn Steyn said...

Honey Pot said....."Quality daycare is a beneficial thing to our species. Some children are much better off being raised in a daycare, than by their parents."


Honey Pot, read this new study that came out last week:

"Daycare damages babies"

http://www.upi.com/ConsumerHealthDaily/view.php?StoryID=20060317-105543-6820r

Ayn Steyn said...

P.S. The point about breeding being a pain in the ass, for me it was a pain in the vagina.

Ayn Steyn said...

Sorry can't resist an opportunity for a bad joke.

Honey Pot said...

Now Ayn, is daycare harmful to children, or is the fact their parents don't want to raise them harmful?

I read this study on child abandonment,it sort of made sense. Apparently it screws the child right up. They get all disconnected, and can't attach to anyone.

Anonymous said...

Right, and you would rather all the kids get stuck in an instituation than for the parents to make informed decisions that would benifit each child.
I am paying MORE than the going rate at $300 / week per child.
MY CHOICE!!!

Honey Pot said...

Why would you not just stay home with them Anony? Why have three children and pay someone else to raise them? What informed decisions are you making Anony? The decision that they are out of your hair for the best part of the day? I worked it out, you are paying $2.35 an hour per kid. For that amount of money you can't expect anymore than them to come home with all their limbs at the end of the day.

Anonymous said...

Honey - Your math leaves something to be desired.
Lets see-
$300 / week per child
9am to 4pm = 7 hrs / day
7 x 5 = 35 hours per week
$300 / 35 hours = $8.57 / hour
Thats $8.57 per hour PER CHILD.

I think your getting right worked up about this your not even reading all the posts.
I have 3 children, only one(1) of those kids is in daycare right now.
Are you resentful because your choices are limited and you need everyone elses to be too. I will again list just some of the people who will negitively be impacted by government run daycare.
1. Home based daycare providers, thier spouses and children.
2. People who use home based daycare providers and thier families.
3. People who work in daycare centres now will see thier wages reduced as the home based daycare providers are foced to close their doors and will flood to work in centres.
4. Every employer, as soon as the first strike for higher wages, less kids or "job security" is launched, where will all those kids go? Home with parents who should be at work.
5. Every taxpayer, the average cost for one child at a day care centre is aprox. $12,000 / year.

I'm done arguing with you Honey Pot. I will not convince you that I am doing what is best for MY kids or that I even have a right to do it.

Honey Pot said...

If the homebased daycare is not claiming the money, it is the only way they would be fucked up. I got to pay taxes and I don't have a problem with anyone else having too.

There are already many licensed home day-cares Anony. Monitered and supported by governing bodies. You must of missed that in your research for home daycare Anony. Most of us don't mind that someone is making sure the baby's arse is not being changed in the same place the peanut butter sandwiches are being made.

Honey Pot said...

Come to think of it, it could actually beneift home based daycare workers. No more waiting for the parents for weeks on end to pay them.



They could have support for when the nutty parents make unreasonable demands of them.



They would be entitled to benefits.

hey it is all good for the home based child care worker.

Honey Pot said...

Holy jumping jesus on a pogo stick, I just got an idea. What if they just cut out the middle man and paid mom or pop to stay home and look after their own kids. You know give them a whack of tax breaks, and throw in a hundred a week or so. I wonder if the breeders would go for that one.

Lisa said...

HP:

"Some children are much better off being raised in a daycare, than by their parents."

etc. etc. etc.

So what you mean is that all children should be raised in state run institutions? Why not just hand over the future taxpayer to the government crazies as soon as it pops out. This will ensure that in the future, noone will question the aims of the government.

Now there's an "incentive" for women to breed. They get to carry the load around for 9 months, go through the pain of childbirth, and they don't even have to worry about looking after it. What a fine solution Honey Pot. The parents will have their child's tax money to look forward to though, and when they are old and in need of health care, the mother will be happy for her sacrifice, assuming there are any doctors around to treat them. But we can take care of that problem by threatening the doctors with huge fines and prison sentences if they refuse to work.

Honey Pot said...

Knock, knock...anyone home?

Lisa you yourself said you didn't want kids, you had other more important aspirations..... like not having the burden of a brat.

We have to get inside the minds of those few women who are left that are naive enough to breed. Soon as they pop one out, and realize what kind of work and committment that squawking thing with stuff forever spraying out of it really entails, they don't want to go through that again. You know, unless they have real short memories. We have to sweeten the pot for the few dumb breeders who are left.

Believe me Lisa, I heard through the grapevine that there are more than a few females who would pass the baby over to Rumplstilskin to raise after the pain of childbirth, or when the stinky things are teething.

Lisa said...

HP:

"What if they just cut out the middle man and paid mom or pop to stay home and look after their own kids. You know give them a whack of tax breaks, and throw in a hundred a week or so. I wonder if the breeders would go for that one."

Surely they would just spend the money on beer and popcorn. Better to lock the "stinky things" up in government institutions. Why take the chance.

Honey Pot said...

You got a good point Lisa. They tried that paying the breeders to stay home in the seventies and eighties, but could only get young, uneducated females to go for it. The dummies went and educated those females, and they didn't want to breed anymore. It just didn't work very well, too much resentment towards the breeders from people who felt they were getting an easy ride. I don't know what the hell they are going to do to get people spawning again. They got to get spawning though, or start opening the doors wide open for new immigrants. Which is a good thing, they are not so adverse to the child rearing thing. Something about when you come from a war torn country, with all the misery that goes along with it, that makes you realize the importance of procreation. No doubt about it when you look at the bleak demographic foercast for Canada, we better do something, and quickly.

Lisa said...

Honey;

"No doubt about it when you look at the bleak demographic foercast for Canada, we better do something, and quickly."

If increased numbers of women must "spawn", what are you doing about it. Although I hope the answer is no, I'll ask you again, do you have children and if not, are you planning to? You keep saying that women must get spawning, so shouldn't that include you or are you waiting for your entitlement first?

Honey Pot said...

Moi breed? Bite your tongue.... way to primitive for me. What if I made a mistake and was carrying some weird socialist gene? You wouldn't want to let that lose on the world would you Lisa?

They can practically mix one up in a tupperware dish now. I am waiting to get one in my favorite color that has a lifetime returnable warranty.

basil said...

Sterilization. Test-tube babies. We can fuck our brains out and never fear having to bond with family. Meanwhile, we will create a bureaucracy to produce future tax payers who won't question any of it 'cause You get into daycare, and the majority of kids tell you that [non-conformist ideas are] fucking nuts. I see that as a plus for that kid, and society.It's a brave new world!

Honey Pot said...

...but isn't that what it is all about? Not bonding, not caring about anyone but ourselves? Isn't that what makes countries great, disposable people? It is those dam people who care about others that have brought this country to where it is today. If they could somehow eradicate that "I give a dam about you" gene from the tupperware babies, we would all be sitting pretty.

Pietr said...

Maybe people aren't breeding because they hate the state?

Honey Pot said...

Well we are Canadians, that would be like one of the clever protest we would come up with. Not a hell of lot you can argue, when you don't exist any longer.

Pietr said...

Pity the Statesman; so many threats, so little reason.