Tuesday, September 27, 2005

Their blood will be on the hands of federal politicians

From the Canadian Press and printed in the Ottawa Citizen, missing the point and making everything worse as a consequence:

The families of four RCMP officers slain in Mayerthorpe, Alta., last spring say similar tragedies could happen again unless the federal government gets tough on crime.

The families want tougher sentences for people who run marijuana grow operations.

They're also calling on the Liberal government to abandon its plan to decriminalize simple possession of pot and they want tougher parole criteria for violent criminals to keep them off the streets.
So locking up the pot smokers is going to get rid of the crazies in Canada? Well I am sorry for the families who lost their loved ones because of the actions of a violent criminal, but I've commented before on why it is wrong to blame violent crime on marijuana growers and smokers. Criminals might grow marijuana, but the fact that they do is not the 'cause' of their behaviour. In a world where the rights of peaceful individuals were respected, a person growing marijuana would not automatically be branded as a criminal by the police. Violent offenders might drink a lot of alcohol too, and they might eat potato chips, but it is the person, and not the presence or use of a substance, who is responsible for their actions. What is completely overlooked by these families who beg for yet more government interference, is that a criminal is a criminal in virtue of something other than marijuana possession: a criminal is one who violates the peace and security of another individual. The harvesting of a seed does not in itself make one a criminal, unless, of course, there are unjust laws in existence which lock peaceful people up for possessing a plant more profitably left in the hands of the government and the black market.

If more laws are all that are needed to prevent amoral and immoral people from killing police or innocent civilians, than why, despite the existence of such programs as the Gun Registry, does gun crime still exist and in fact at an all time high in Canada?

If more government intervention is all that is required to make us safe, our society should be safer than ever before. This is not the case though, because attempting to correct and prevent one crime by committing another will only serve to keep the jails full and the guns firing. Criminals and wrongdoers will always exist but the answer is not to make false correlations and more business for the black market.

9 comments:

basil said...

These people seem to forget this guy was being investigated for a delinquint loan on a truck and stolen car parts . . . not dope. Shall we criminalize making and possessing cars and their parts? Smog and car accidents kill far more people a year than growing or smoking pot.

The Mayor said...

You do not grasp the fundamental program of Political Correctness. Your ire and rage against the symptoms and ignore the underlying illness.

When we become tough on crime we also become insensitive racists. Then we need to spend more money on teachers, social workers, and telemarketers. Etcetera etcetera, ad nauseum.

Outrage is an industry that generates jobs for the featherbedding left wing parasites. Time to stop feeding the tapeworms that are the Main Stream Media.

Fenris Badwulf

Paul said...

Ignore Basil's ignorance of the facts.

Do you recall how many pot plants were found? 283. (Ref)

That's not peacable personal consumption. That's major crime. And it led to murder, as similar operations have led others to their death.

It was the investigation of the large-scale grow-op that led the officers to be there when they were murdered.

Yet, for some reason, people would remove balcony railings from tall buildings, because it's the ground, not the fall, that kills people. Don't be another idiot.

basil said...

Paul:
The media reported the plants were accidently found when seeking this guy on other charges which involved an addiction to materialism: nice cars - also, that he was a violent gun freak who hated the police.

What is so violent about growing a plant? do they emit debilitating subsonic sounds which attack the nervous system?

MapMaster said...

That's not peacable personal consumption… no, it's small-scale capitalism, producing and selling the goods that other people are willing to buy. In this case, though, buyers and sellers are criminals by virtue of the fact that the exercise has been labelled a crime. As such, it is no surprise that people with other criminal propensities are the ones willing to take the risks to grow and sell pot (and, dare I say it, go to the trouble of defending their possessions from the police) — most people don't want to jeopardize their lives to that extent — but if marijuana was not a crime, less criminal types will make up the greatest proportion of growers, just as with other agriculture.

The analogy of marijuana laws with balcony railings is a poor one — balcony railings are a sensible precaution that do not hinder anyone's intended freedom of movement, while marijuana laws are designed precisely to circumscribe people's freedom of choice. Whether you or I think it is a good choice should not matter to those others — unlike falling off a balcony — unless you have the presumption to pretend to know whether it is a good choice for others, and enforce it by police means.

Lisa said...

Paul:

It matters NOT whether Roszko possessed one plant or 3000. His possession of marijuana plants is essentially as irrelevent as the amount of transfats in his possession. Pot does not kill - people do. Your comment stinks of reefer madness. Peaceful people who cultivate and smoke marijuana do not turn into crazed lunatics.

Furthermore, it bores me to remind you that the reason pot is a profitable black market enterprise is because there are laws against it. Remove the laws and stigmas and with it the guns and criminals.

I'd also like to remind you of the real reasons behind the investigation of Roszko (Ref):

"In 2004, Roszko was charged after putting down a spiked belt when election enumerators came onto his property. He was due in court in April, 2005 to face that charge. Roszko was visited on numerous occasions in recent years by bailiffs and other court officials in connection with repossession of property. It was on such a matter that the events of March 3 precipitated."

I might also add that he was charged 36 times and convicted 12 times. His crimes were theft and violence, including sexual assault and gun crime.

Paul said...

You want to bury your head in the sand over the reason these officers were killed; that's terribly unfortunate but you do have that right.

That you do so for your own political agenda is absolutely disgusting.

MapMaster said...

If leaving people alone from police predations upon their peaceful activities is a political agenda, sobeit. Perhaps you have confused our agenda? — we are not advancing the idea that people guilty of theft, violence and sexual assault should be left alone, far from it. (In many of those cases, the justice system is far too lenient on those perpetrators, in my opinion, and police resources that could be used to find and apprehend those kinds of criminals are otherwise wasted on anti-marijuana pogroms — that marijuana growers and violent criminals are sometimes the same people is incidental to the argument of what constitutes a genuine crime, and I addressed that point in my previous comment.)

As far as the accusation that we are burying our head in the sand to advance an agenda, re-read the CP story:

The families of four RCMP officers slain in Mayerthorpe, Alta., last spring say similar tragedies could happen again unless the federal government gets tough on crime.

The families want tougher sentences for people who run marijuana grow operations.

They're also calling on the Liberal government to abandon its plan to decriminalize simple possession of pot and they want tougher parole criteria for violent criminals to keep them off the streets.


Now, who is using specious reasoning and liberal interpretation of the facts to advance an agenda?

basil said...

I coulda sworn the officers got shot by cop-hating psycho who liked to play with illegal weapons, beat people up, rape young men and deal in stolen cars. But hey, gimme another toke and I'll read the story yet again and see what I'm missing.

I might also suggest you read your "reference" a little more carefully. It seems your speaker can't decide whether pot or meth is under discussion.